Honestly wasn’t so sure about this whole ‘force the vote’ stuff

I was of the mind that if you “voted blue no matter who” we’d just end up with a bunch on conservative democrats. Which did happen and wouldn’t make a difference, right?

But now I’m looking at it in a different light. Bernie “forced the vote” on a minimum wage increase and a bunch of the conservative democrats had to vote no on it. And people are (rightfully) pissed at them.

In my particular neck of the wood, Senator Sinema made a point of doing a cutesy little hip pop with her chocolate cake in hand as she gleefully voted ‘no’ on the minimum wage increase and then bounced away. And people are pissed at that. it was so bad, She now faces a legitimate threat of in the primaries from the left. I was actually suprised at that level of backlash. And here I was, starting to think the Democratic voter base was just going to morph into blue maga. Hahaha

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Northwest · M

That's not exactly what happened. The vote was on whether to put the minimum wage increase back into the stimulus bill. Bernie knew it was not going to happen, because the Senate rules do not allow for it. It must now be a separate bill, and that's what Sinema and others voted on.

I am surprised with those who voted yes. It's the equivalent of Trump asking Pence to decertify the election. Something he cannot do.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest why don't the senate rules allow for it?

Northwest · M

@NoahB

[quote]why don't the senate rules allow for it?[/quote]

The Senate parliamentarian has ruled against including the increase in the minimum wage in the Covid relief bill.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest can't the parliamentary block be overruled by executive action?

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest (for those of you reading this reply chain at home, the answer is 'yes')

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NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest [quote]Makes us hypocrites, doesn't it?[/quote] who cares about that? people want higher wages and relief checks. and its not as if the opposing party adheres to such constraints.

[quote]There is a better way, and helps avoid a fight in the Senate that will block everything for who knows how long, when it's just as simple to put another bill out for a vote/debate in Congress, just as the administration plans on doing.[/quote]

this is just a long way to say "widdle down the bill until it sucks so hard even republicans will vote on it" which is not a way to win future elections

Northwest · M

@NoahB [quote]who cares about that? people want higher wages and relief checks. and its not as if the opposing party adheres to such constraints.
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So then doing what the opposing party does is the standard we're going for? Why then do we not vote for the opposing party?

[quote]this is just a long way to say "widdle down the bill until it sucks so hard even republicans will vote on it" which is not a way to win future elections[/quote]

A minimum wage bill will either make it through Congress, or will not. There is no point in holding up the Stimulus package, and the [b][i][u]relief checks[/u][/i][/b] people need.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest [quote]Why then do we not vote for the opposing party?
[/quote] because the opposing party didn't campaign on raising the minimum wage.

[quote]There is no point in holding up the Stimulus package, and the relief checks people need.[/quote]
the point of republicans holding the checks is to make the democrats who hold executive power look bad. they've done it before, theyre doing it now, and they'll do it again.

Northwest · M

@NoahB [quote]because the opposing party didn't campaign on raising the minimum wage.
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Did the campaign promise they it will all be in a single package, or it will be done?

[quote]the point of republicans holding the checks is to make the democrats who hold executive power look bad. they've done it before, theyre doing it now, and they'll do it again.[/quote]

And they did not use executive power to pass the Stimulus package, thereby defeating the GOP hardliners attempts to make them looks bad.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest [quote]Did the campaign promise they it will all be in a single package, or it will be done?
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you're splitting hairs here now mr.northwest. lol

[quote]And they did not use executive power to pass the Stimulus package, thereby defeating the GOP hardliners attempts to make them looks bad.[/quote]

your going to have to elaborate on this one

Northwest · M

@NoahB [quote]you're splitting hairs here now mr.northwest. lol
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No, I'm afraid you are. No one said that minimum wage is going to be part of the stimulus package. In fact putting it there, guarantees only one thing: failure. You're forgetting that the Senate is split up 50/50. The fact that Trump is an idiot who ignored the rules, does not mean the other side must do the same.

[quote]your going to have to elaborate on this one
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Read above. Dying on that hill is dying on that hill, there is no coming back. A better strategy is to have a different plan, for each battle you want to win.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest [quote] Senate is split up 50/50.[/quote] isn't there something the VP can do when this happens? it keeps slipping my minnnd... hmmm what was it, what was it.

[quote] A better strategy is to have a different plan, for each battle you want to win.[/quote]
i think the best strategy is to use the very legal rules, which allow the VP to break the tie in favor of the democrats to win, is the best strategy to win but thats just me

Northwest · M

@NoahB Sarcasm is best dished out when it's on point, and you missed the point, specifically that the country is split 50/50 on this issue, and when we talk about minority rights, we're not talking about the Constitutional powers bestowed on the VP, to cast the deciding vote. And it's NOT about the offenses committed about the other side.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest so whats it about then? most americans support a 15 dollar an hour increase, especially in the democratic voter pool. You're emphasizing 'minority rights' to keep the minimum wage down, but ignoring the fact that the majority in favor of a minimum wage increase is made up of collective minority support. As you can see from this chart, the increase is supported overwhelmingly by minority groups such as black, and hispanic people. women as well.

Northwest · M

@NoahB [quote]You're emphasizing 'minority rights' [b][i][u]to keep the minimum wage down[/u][/i][/b], [b][i][u]but ignoring[/u][/i][/b] the fact that the majority in favor of a minimum wage increase is made up of collective minority support. [/quote]

And now you're graduating from missing the point, to plain lying.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Northwest well then maybe i'm misunderstanding you