Should people who refuse to be vaccinated against Covid 19 be forced to ?

@Snowvixen This has been how I felt about the vaccine. They are usually tested much longer and I don’t want to see people lose their lives because they took a rushed vaccine. I am 100% supportive of vaccines, but I don’t like how quick this one made it to market.

@Snowvixen This argument is old and has been addressed countless times. Currently on-the-market vaccines (at least in Europe, U.K. and U.S.) have gone through all the clinical trials and regulatory phases.

@WanderingThrough Exactly. @Elessar Sure, but as far as I understand those medications took time and did not release to the public for awhile. Its my understanding that most vaccines take 5-10 years. We still do not know enough about Covid.

@Snowvixen They do, in ordinary times, but also because the conditions are different. Production usually starts only after clinical trials, in this case it's been parallelized. Funds (from govts.) came in large amount, exactly for making it possible (if you were a pharma industry you wouldn't risk investing in the production of something that may not pass RCTs, before knowing phase 3 data) and also finding candidates for the trials wasn't much of an issue. Also, the goals for clinical trials are set in terms of how many people in the placebo arm get infected, and you can imagine that chances of them getting infected are way higher than if it was a RCT for a vaccine or a drug against, say, Ebola - occurring in a single limited region of the world. Last but not least, development started from prototypes being already in development for other viruses, if I recall correctly even SARS-CoV(1), and that needed to be adapted.

@Snowvixen I'm sure many of you pro abortion people love the slogan "my body my choice" - how has that changed all of a sudden with vaccines?

@similarexperience Because unlike an abortion vaccines prevent you from infecting the community? But above all wtf have abortions to do with this topic, you really have to throw it in completely unrelated matter?

@similarexperience Uh, you are way off base with that. I am not pro abortion, nor am I against vaccines. 🤦‍♀️ This specific vaccine needs to be tweaked, they rushed into the release without knowing certain things. We do not know enough about covid.

@Elessar....and what you'll say is: your choice could kill others by infecting them!!! well guess what "your choice" also kills a person! I'm pointing out the inconsistency of your world views. Anwyays, forcing medicine on people is WRONG. Period. Greater good rubbish is just tyranny and evil.

@Snowvixen we know its hardly dangerous as its had like almost a year to kill us all and hasn't managed a fraction of 1%. No excess mortalities. It's easy to find this stuff

@Snowvixen They'll probably need to be adapted in case of future mutations, for now the only known problem they have is logistical. Out of 40k subjects in the vaxx arm. almost no one got ill, above all severely.

@similarexperience 🤔 Tell that to the family of those 1.89M who have died worldwide. I think they'd disagree.

@similarexperience 1% with non-overwhelmed hospitals (= with all the moderate, severe and critical patients receiving care, and in useful time), and with containment measures in place. Go check what was the percentage in Bergamo last year.

@Snowvixen they already know a fair amount about the corona group of viruses, so they weren't exactly starting from scratch with this vaccine. Sure it was rushed a bit, but they also had less ground to cover to get go the finish line than they would have if this was something completely unknown.

@SooperSarah The group as separate viruses sure, but you do not necessarily KNOW about the viruses combined. Its a dangerous and not something to be rushed.