So...no national healthcare?

All we hear is folks will have to stand in line. Choices to turn away very ill patients. Whatever.
But the choices that folks are making...not wearing masks, joining gatherings with no precautions, thumbing noses at sound scientific evidence, irresponsible state leaders...these things are happening right now. And guess whose fault it is? It's your fault (you know who you are).
And, btw...this free vaccine? Pffft. Pfizer has just raised prices on other meds. Guess who pays for that?

Was uncertain if this is healthcare or political. So...in to the go to🤷‍♀️

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Elevatorpitches · F

We need Medicare for all. Polls show around 50-80 percent of the American people want it, I'll post the stats if SWeeps don't believe me

Thank u Ogg and BB, Motes and Carla!

MarineBob · 56-60, M

@Elevatorpitches polls show people want it but want it their way, sorry, this ain't burger king

Elevatorpitches · F

@MarineBob what I said is what they want

OggggO · 36-40, M

@MarineBob This is, ostensibly, a democracy. Or do you not care about the will of the people?

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Elevatorpitches But it seems that US politicians, both Democrat and Republican, don't want to provide it. At least that's how it looks from the outside.

Elevatorpitches · F

@ninalanyon I guess people think those bastards OWN us.

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Elevatorpitches I don't know about that, but it does seem that US politicians are more interested in pleasing lobbyists than in providing services for the people.

bijouxbroussard · F

@Elevatorpitches If the others could somehow get past the idea that national healthcare is somehow [b]socialism[/b] ie, “a bad thing”, the approval would be 100%. Everyone gets sick. Nobody wants huge medical bills.

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@bijouxbroussard I can't understand how people support the existence of state funded standing armies, roads, police, fire services, schools, but not health care. It just seems very odd. Or do Americans think that all those things should be done the same way as their health system but just don't say it out load?

bijouxbroussard · F

@ninalanyon Many of them don’t recognize that so many of the services they take for granted are technically [b]socialized[/b], until one points it out.

Elevatorpitches · F

@ninalanyon well as a red blooded citizen of the USA I will say that we the people have been thoroughly bamboozled since ONLY about 65% of us want it. 100% would make more sense..

But you are right, too many of us are working 3 jobs and taking care of ten people and have no time for the truth, and it's VERY VERY hard to find as well. In Europe the TV is noncommercial by default!

And the military industrial information complex here is complete and totalistic...or totalitarian

Elevatorpitches · F

@bijouxbroussard Public school is socialistic, libraries are too...

Problem is everything is a "commodity" in the states so is really hard to think in terms of the public good

So we are encouraged to think less of the public sector completely

Carla · 61-69, F

@Elevatorpitches @ninalanyon @OggggO @bijouxbroussard most that object to public healthcare scream socialism for sure. But not because of educated opinions, but because the leaders they vote in instill the fear of losing control. As y'all point out, we are a capitalistic/socialist nation. We rely heavy on federal, state and local services. If I had to plow my own road most winters, that alone would break me.

Elevatorpitches · F

@Carla Ya know Carla I have been so poor most of my life I ALWAYS shoveled fifty feeet of snow every winter from youth to old age.

But if we are afraid of losing control I'm glad I had enough health to live in those places, and enough freedom to control my own plans.

We are losing more of that every second and my snowy place is gone forever now. It was rent free.

Elevatorpitches · F

@bijouxbroussard I'm the choir here, BB
Hallelujah. Heh

SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F

@MarineBob

Elevatorpitches · F

@SevIsPamprinYouAlways uber-gallows humor
maybe