Why didn't the Blue Wave happen?

Biden will probably win but only just. He badly underscored his polling, as did the Democrats nationally.

Im not interested in Trumpian conspiracy theories about the polls and I get that Biden did win the popular vote on a high turnout. Even so...

Trump increased both his vote share and amount. The Lincoln Project made huge efforts to try and shift Conservatives to Biden but it didn't really materialise. In spite of all the things Trump has said and done, he increased his votes with minorities. In spite of his awful covid handling, he is still favoured by people who prioritise the economy.

Im interested in what people think.

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NoahB · 26-30, M

blue wave didn't happen bc bidens campaign focused on flipping red voters blue. not gunna happen in a million years. republicans love trump no matter what he does. he embodies their 'ideology' too thoroughly.

Biden's campaign also made a ton of appeals by being aggresive and outright hostile to progressive votees. cost him the senate and a bunch of the POC demograph.

If biden wins it will be 100% because of trump hate.

If dems want to hold unto power they will have to chase nonvoters with progressive materially beneficial policies like M4A and GND etc etc

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@NoahB As a leftist myself, I wanna believe this narrative. Im British and don't live in America but Iike Bernie Sanders.

Would Bernie have beaten Trump by more than Joe Biden? Maybe he would motivate the base more but lose the suburbs. Im asking cos I genuinly don't know.

SomeMichGuy · M

@Burnley123 I think Bernie had the fire and facts to win.

The big thing is to deflate the "OH NO SOCIALISM" thing...by telling Republicans to opt out of Social Security & Medicare, not cash their stimulus checks, not take unemployment, not take FEMA money, etc.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@SomeMichGuy I dont live there and I don't know if that would have worked. I would like to tbink you ate right.

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Burnley123

Bernie would have absolutely won in much larger margins imo.

he's regarded as the most popular politician in our country.
Plus, verifiably almost all of his policies won with or without Joe on separate state ballot measures. (legalized mary jane and minimum wage increases two things which joe opposed). lots of other reasons but im too lazy to type them up rn

no question in my mind.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@NoahB I'm not too sure about Bernie having had better chances, honestly; I mean, you definitely having a point in his politics/proposals being more popular, but if the "SoCiAlIsM" scaremongering worked against Biden, imagine what Republicans would've thrown at Bernie. Half the country identifies with far-right politics, and the other half seems alright with a center-right/right one..

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Elessar no way dude

Elessar · 26-30, M

@NoahB In any case I guess we have no ways of knowing (and I definitely hoped he would've won the primaries)

NoahB · 26-30, M

@Elessar yeah thats why i don't waste too much time arguing it. no way to know without looking into the vast span of the multiverse.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@NoahB Maybe we won't see the man in person running anymore, but someone else taking up and continuing his battles is definitely a possibility.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@NoahB I don't see Bernie winning general tbh. Nor do I think he would make a good president.