Why is not Hillary running for the presidency this time again ?
She was so sure of having won the elections last time
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
LeopoldBloom · M
@beckyromero Nixon lost to JFK in 1960 and was nominated again (and won) in 1968. I can't think of anyone else in modern times, however. I'm sure there were a few in the 19th century.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
LeopoldBloom · M
@beckyromero You have a point, no one in the last 50 years. If Trump loses, he's not going to be able to pull a Grover Cleveland and get nominated again in 2024.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom
Oh, I think he will TRY to. And he might very well get the nomination in 2024 if he loses a close race.
I do think there is a difference between a candidate losing (Dewey in 1944; Nixon in 1960) and running again and a president losing and running again.
We've had presidents who lost by large margins (Hoover, Carter, Bush 41) or dropped out (Truman, L. Johnson).
But except for Gerald Ford (who was never elected president), we haven't in over a hundred years had a president who lost re-election by a slim margin.
If Trump loses by a wide margin, the GOP may be happy to get rid of him. But in a close loss, he will still loom large over the party.
Oh, I think he will TRY to. And he might very well get the nomination in 2024 if he loses a close race.
I do think there is a difference between a candidate losing (Dewey in 1944; Nixon in 1960) and running again and a president losing and running again.
We've had presidents who lost by large margins (Hoover, Carter, Bush 41) or dropped out (Truman, L. Johnson).
But except for Gerald Ford (who was never elected president), we haven't in over a hundred years had a president who lost re-election by a slim margin.
If Trump loses by a wide margin, the GOP may be happy to get rid of him. But in a close loss, he will still loom large over the party.
LeopoldBloom · M
@beckyromero Assuming Trump is not in prison or exiled to the United Arab Emirates by then. Or completely disabled by Lewy Body Dementia.
In 2024, Trump would be competing against people like Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, and many others who wouldn't let themselves be steamrolled the way everyone was in 2016. I would also expect the RNC to adopt something like superdelegates or some other system to ensure that no one objectionable to the party would ever be nominated again. This also assumes that the GOP doesn't break up into an "establishment" and "Trumpist" party.
In 2024, Trump would be competing against people like Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, and many others who wouldn't let themselves be steamrolled the way everyone was in 2016. I would also expect the RNC to adopt something like superdelegates or some other system to ensure that no one objectionable to the party would ever be nominated again. This also assumes that the GOP doesn't break up into an "establishment" and "Trumpist" party.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@LeopoldBloom
The Republican Party is dead. It's Trump's Party - and it will remain so as long as he is in the political arena.
They were steamrolled because of the number of candidates. It allowed Trump to win early and build momentum (plus all the free media he got - and would get again).
The GOP won't learn from that lesson.
Pence, Cruz, Haley? They're all co-opted by being pro-Trump. (Cruz and Haley even worse off for the things they said AGAINST Trump). No way do they beat Trump one-on-one.
And as a group, it just help Trump get the nomination.
Cotton, Sasse, and Hawley? They might try, but I think they'd fail.
Trump destroyed too many Republican careers of people who opposed him. That threat won't be going away anytime soon.
(If Biden crushes him in 2020, then that's completely different.)
The Republican Party is dead. It's Trump's Party - and it will remain so as long as he is in the political arena.
In 2024, Trump would be competing against people like Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, and many others who wouldn't let themselves be steamrolled the way everyone was in 2016.
They were steamrolled because of the number of candidates. It allowed Trump to win early and build momentum (plus all the free media he got - and would get again).
The GOP won't learn from that lesson.
Pence, Cruz, Haley? They're all co-opted by being pro-Trump. (Cruz and Haley even worse off for the things they said AGAINST Trump). No way do they beat Trump one-on-one.
And as a group, it just help Trump get the nomination.
Cotton, Sasse, and Hawley? They might try, but I think they'd fail.
Trump destroyed too many Republican careers of people who opposed him. That threat won't be going away anytime soon.
(If Biden crushes him in 2020, then that's completely different.)