COVID is a scam

@SpiritualMan 200,000 dead in a little over six months isn't enough death for you to take it seriously? No wonder the country is so screwed up.

@windinhishair Oh I believe 200,000 people died in that timeframe, but was it REALLY COVID, or was it something else? Many that DID they from COVID had another condition that COVID pushed them over the edge and they died. The news media has been lying to us not about the number of people that died but the real causes of death.

@SpiritualMan Actually, they haven't been lying. Right-wing media has been deliberately misleading the gullible public that supports Trump. As Johns Hopkins University said on their website: [quote]The importance of this CDC data is showing the comorbidities in people who have died with COVID-19, in hopes of better understanding the risk factors for death. For almost everyone, I think we can be confident they would have lived longer without COVID-19.[/quote]

In other words, the people who are showing death by covid-19 really died of covid-19. One way to double-check the data is to see whether excess deaths have occurred this year compared to other years:

[quote]We can observe trends from the number of deaths reported each year, on a weekly basis. When we see large deviations in the numbers for a time period, we call that excess deaths. Looking at 2020 since March, the raw number of excess deaths is 200,000 more people than a normal year. When we try to understand that, COVID-19 is the most rational and likely explanation. If you don't believe it's COVID-19, try to pinpoint why this year has been so different than any other. Why would a new disease that kills people not be the cause?[/quote]

So covid-19 has killed 200,000 Americans and counting, and the excess death data confirm those numbers.

@windinhishair I didn't say that COVID doesn't kill people with co-morbidities, just that they have been counting deaths as COVID when it was clear that COVID DIDN'T have anything to do with what killed them. One hospital counted a motorcycle accident as a COVID death just because the guy had tested positive.

@SpiritualMan The data show that isn't the case, since they are compiled from death certificates. If your premise were correct, excess deaths and reported deaths by covid-19 would be disparate.

You mentioned the single motorcycle accident counted as a covid death before, and I challenged you to provide evidence that had occurred. You couldn't do it then. Do you have new data and can provide a source now?

@windinhishair https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report-07-18-2020

@SpiritualMan https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

The man was initially listed as a covid death, but that was corrected within a couple of days. There is no evidence that significant numbers of covid deaths are misattributed, as the several sources of data I referenced indicate.

@windinhishair Yes it was corrected, the news article said so, but the point is that why was he listed as a COVID death EVER.

@SpiritualMan A small number of mistakes are bound to happen with 200,000+ dead, but the important point is that the reported number of covid dead appear to be accurate.

@windinhishair Most of them WERE elderly with co-morbidities. What that just means is that COVID isn't as dangerous as we were initially led to believe except for older people with co-morbidities. I do believe in protecting them, but I do believe that they used this for political reasons, they weaponized the pandemic.

@SpiritualMan We do have some common ground here. I dont believe this Virus is a scam at all. And I agree that the virus does kill by attacking the most vulnerable hardest. That means those who are frail, elderly, and with depressed immue systems and pre existing conditions. But since those people would be alive if they had not caught it, I think its reasonable to label covid as the cause of death,. I also agree that statistically there must be misread cases labelled covid that werent, as there must be cases that were missed. But these will balance each other out in a numbers game.
And I certainly agree that people on both sides are using the fear of infection and the fear of manipulation as political weapons. That is largely an American thing it would seem (in Western democracies) The rest of the world seems to get that this thing is real and needs to be handled as a health issue. Not died for as a freedom issue.😷

@whowasthatmaskedman It should be CONSIDERED un American to politicize things like this, we have work to do I suppose.

@SpiritualMan People who die of covid who have other issues still die of covid. The virus is dangerous, deadly, and you aren't even talking about sub-lethal impacts that impact many people who have had it. A co-morbidity isn't an excuse to write off the elderly or underestimate the impacts, as the right-wing has deliberately done. I agree that the virus shouldn't be politicized. If we had any other leader other than Trump, we would have fewer deaths and would be taking this seriously. Unfortunately, by having Don the Con in office, many people have died as a result of his bungling and deliberate misrepresentation.

@windinhishair I forgot about the sub-lethal effects. At this current time however, so many people have test positive but show no signs of getting sick or dying, or perm effects. That is the bulk of the positive tests right now. I did say I believe in protecting the elderly.

It does bother me that Biden's campaign commercials are blaming the current slower economy when we HAD to do that to slow the spread of the virus. NO one had better vote against Trump because of that, if they do they really aren't paying attention. You can't blame Trump for the shutdowns to slow the spread of the virus AND the slow economy at the same time. THAT is not fair.

@windinhishair OF COURSE the shutdowns were the right answer mixed with stimulus and other steps to get the economy back on track as we move forward now.

@SpiritualMan You overlook that had we taken the steps needed everywhere, instead of Don the Con denying it and minimizing it and telling his supporters to ignore it, we would have far fewer deaths, and cases, and could be opening the economy instead of closing it again. His failure to do that has led us to where we are now, and for that he is ABSOLUTELY to blame.

@windinhishair He did do the travel bans early from China that the Democrats called racist and said we didn't need. Early on we didn't know how easily it could spread from person to person. Once that became clear Trump put in the travel bans.

@SpiritualMan Which weren't bans, and may have helped marginally in delaying the virus onset. But his deliberate and willful downplaying of the virus, which continues to this day, he made both the virus AND the economy worse at the same time. He couldn't have done it worse if he had tried to.

@SpiritualMan I agree. With the exception that COVID [u]IS[/u] a scam. Not totally, but I do not believe that it is caused by an imaginary virus.

@TBIman EXCUSE ME? I was saying the virus DOES exist. You must have misread what I said.

@TBIman Close to a million dead people worldwide disagree with you--over 200,000 of whom lived in the US. You might as well say that you don't believe in gravity. Or sunlight. Or trees.

@SpiritualMan Yup, I must've misread what you said... Either that or I was being a smartass.

@windinhishair I do not believe in the "theory" of gravity. However, sunlight and trees are very real things. We can see sunlight, and we can touch trees. We cannot touch or see gravity. Making it a bogus theory.

@TBIman Yes, completely bogus, because our mass doesn't keep us on earth and we don't weigh anything. Bogus like the theory of air. There is no air because you cannot see or touch it.

@windinhishair I wish that you would just leave me alone if you do not have anything constructive to say. Yes, the THEORY of gravity is bogus, and air is not a theory. We breathe it to survive. Grow up and just admit that you fell for the hoaxes that governments gave us. Or continue being a slave to the control system. The choice is entirely yours to make.

Our weight keeps us on the Earth, and because we are not moving the magical force of "Gravity" is not needed.