Another Man Who Said ‘I Can’t Breathe’ Died in Custody. An Autopsy Calls It Homicide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/us/manuel-ellis-tacoma-police-homicide.html
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Johnson212 · 61-69, M
sweetiepoo · 36-40, F
@Johnson212 Why do you assume everyone who is detained by police do not surrender? Even if they don't, if they are not an immediate threat, it gives officers no right to kill them. In this particular instance, the officers were not wearing body cameras, so we really don't know what happened.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@masaca Totally irrelevant that is not what happened to this guy.
masaca · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 Well, suppose you enlighten me to what did actually happen to this guy.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@masaca He was reportedly trying to get in peoples cars when two officers in the area asked him what he was doing, Ellis told them he had warrants and wanted to talk to them.
Then he repeatedly struck their patrol car.
The two officers inside the police car notified dispatch they needed priority backup then got out of the car.
He picked up one of the officer by his vest and slam-dunked him on the ground, he did not try to run he simply engaged with the officers in a fight. Screw him he was the master of his own problems. He had methamphetamine on board died when they were restraining him on the street.
Then he repeatedly struck their patrol car.
The two officers inside the police car notified dispatch they needed priority backup then got out of the car.
He picked up one of the officer by his vest and slam-dunked him on the ground, he did not try to run he simply engaged with the officers in a fight. Screw him he was the master of his own problems. He had methamphetamine on board died when they were restraining him on the street.
masaca · 61-69, M
@Johnson212 Well, while the investigors say they will not get to the bottom of the specifics until later in the week (last week,) or earlier next week (coming up)
It seems highly unlikely to me that a guy who was living sober, and who had just left a church service would attack the police, especially as you have so vividly asserted.
As was quoted here in the article:
" Brian Giordano, a close friend of Mr. Ellis, said that the two usually spoke several times a day and that Mr. Ellis had video-chatted with him two hours before his death. He had been excited about a church service he had attended and proud of how he had played drums during the service, Mr. Giordano recalled.
He said it would be uncharacteristic of Mr. Ellis to act in the violent way described by the police.
He was living in a clean-and-sober house and was getting his life back together, he said. “He was always uplifting,” Mr. Giordano said. “He was always on the up-and-up about taking care of people.” "
It seems highly unlikely to me that a guy who was living sober, and who had just left a church service would attack the police, especially as you have so vividly asserted.
As was quoted here in the article:
" Brian Giordano, a close friend of Mr. Ellis, said that the two usually spoke several times a day and that Mr. Ellis had video-chatted with him two hours before his death. He had been excited about a church service he had attended and proud of how he had played drums during the service, Mr. Giordano recalled.
He said it would be uncharacteristic of Mr. Ellis to act in the violent way described by the police.
He was living in a clean-and-sober house and was getting his life back together, he said. “He was always uplifting,” Mr. Giordano said. “He was always on the up-and-up about taking care of people.” "