Putting our finger in front of the sun

@Quizzical You're right. Testing is definitely going to raise our numbers. Problem is, in the states we lag behind the next five countries combined in testing, so it's not like there's been a huge spike testing anywhere. Also observable are where the spikes are happening, which tend to be Republican areas. And I don't mean to make this political, but it's our more conservative pockets that are flouting the hygiene standards in favor of personal liberty and the word of Our Idiot in Chief.

Then there's the fact that the South, which is poised to to be hit very hard, has been doctoring numbers and outright lying factually about the dangers of this virus and the numbers it's infecting.

@Quizzical The fact is it's still spreading yet dumbfuck still wants to re-open

@TJNewton Well, it's a difficult situation for anyone... On the one hand you have a virus that (though for most, is an inconvenience) for a few can prove deadly, and on the other you have the potential for a collapsed economy which will affect everyone.

There's no doubt in my mind that he's certainly not the best person to be making these decisions though.Trump never does anything that doesn't in some way benefit him.

@Quizzical Agreed but fuck the world economy fuck trump it's not Rocket science teaching can be done online everybody should stay at home until as vaccine is developed and available to all a food parcel brought to your door everyweek by the army. When will people realise life is more important than fucking money ?

@TJNewton Well, I certainly see your point, but looking at the numbers this virus is nowhere near as deadly as was originally thought.

@Quizzical the original numbers were for a non compliant population. We here are very close to 100 thousand deaths, over a million cases. And we are but a few months in.

@Quizzical The corona virus isn't over it never will be see what the numbers are 2 months from now

@TJNewton I'm not of course saying that it's not serious for some, but humanity has been able to adapt against viruses since the dawn of time, we're pretty damn good at it. Well, if we weren't none of us would be here now, lol.

I think the information about t-cells which has just come out might be the key to strengthening ourselves again it without the need for a 'traditional' vaccine.

@Quizzical we will just have to wait and see

@Carla From what I checked a couple of days ago, globally there are 4.9 million confirmed cases, and 326 thousand deaths, out of a global population of 7.5 billion.

I would suggest that the number of true cases was far higher owing to a lack of sufficient teasting, and that the number of confirmed deaths is actually lower given the authorities' current inclination to err on the side of caution and mark down unrelated deaths down as Covid if the person happened to be infected.

So as for deaths we've lost 0.0043% of the global population to this virus, and 0.06% of the population are infected, with 6.6% of the infected dying, of which, 90% of THOSE had a prior health condition where ANY virulent respiratory infection could have killed them.


For some folks this is absolutely a life or death situation, and those who are at risk should certainly be maintaining social distancing. But it's inevitable there is a point at which a small about of lives are just not worth a global economic recession which would affect everyone.

That may sound callous, but I just see it as pragmatic.

Should we lock down the entire world because 500,000 person might die? Would we do it for 50,000? Would we do it for 10,000, or 1,000?

Would we do it to save just ONE person?

It's a moral dilemma really.

Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or don't they? And at which point does that come into affect?

I think it's very important to avoid reacting to this whole situation emotionally, or else everyone could suffer just for a few people all because people had to be seen to be 'doing the right thing'.

@TJNewton I think that's all we can do my friend... It doesn't help that the experts keep changing their minds and advice every couple of weeks, lol. I know it's the way science tends to work, but it's really putting people on edge.

As I've stated elsewhere, though there is certainly a pandemic in progress I think the biggest problem we face is political machinations rather than the virus itself.