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Should England open up schools in early June?

Those lovely people at the Daily Mail (Daily Heil) certainly think that we should:



There are one or two problems with this newspaper story. Well, there are dozens but I have to summarise to make this post readable. Let's start with the Mail's lying. The vast majority of teachers are against opening the schools at this time. Nobody thinks its a good idea. Everybody thinks its a terrible idea. The unions are doing merely what you would expect in trying to protect their members. The newspapers here heavily support our Conservative government and have seen their physical sales and advertising revenues collapse during the pandemic, so they are pro easing the lockdown.

As I've said many times, easing the lockdown before you have proper test-trace-isolate procedures puts you at risk of losing control of the virus. France has fewer cases than us and better (well... less inadequate) testing procedures and even they are having problems trying to open up.

Schools are a particular issue too. Even the limited re-opening which the government are bringing in will create massive virus spreading centres. The lower end of Primary school is due to be one of the first back. Yes, these young kids are very low risk in terms of dying but they are very high risk in terms of spreading the disease. I work as a primary school teacher myself and let me tell you that the zero chance of getting children between four and six years of age to social distance effectively. Anyone with any experience of a primary setting thinks that this is nuts, which it is.
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This is my classroom. I teach Year 6. We shouldve done SATs last week. This week we wouldve been getting ready for our production and going on a boat down the river.
It normally fits 30 children, my height, and a TA, plus up to 2 other kids on time out.
It's all measured out. Those tables are 2m apart. It fits 9 at a push. I wont be able to move from my desk once the kkds come in.

We had to take their work odd the walls and bin it. If the kther year groups come back, we cant fit.

I get given a mask and gloves and a face shield if I have to do first aid. EVERYONE will have their temp checked before they can come into the building. I will be living in a bubble with my group.

I'll go home, to my vulnerable child, who should be going back also. But if I say no to going back, then I dont get paid.

Fuck the daily mail and the fucking government. If theyre not going back to work, why the fuck should the kids.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Thank you for sharing this. It adds to what I said and helps people who dont know understand the reality of the situation.
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@Burnley123 Sorry, had to take the photo down. There are very schools that can fit 15 in a room with the 2m rule.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User No I understand why you took the photos down. I think people understand that schools are crowded place. Well, our government doesnt but most people do.
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@Burnley123 government are fucking dillusional, as are the people that fund them
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@SW-User How necessary do you think this all is? This virus is not like the black death. The chances of actually dying from it are very remote and children are particularly invulnerable to it. All these social distancing measures are going to scar children for life. What you're describing there sounds like schools are going to feel like prison camps. As a supply teacher hoping to get some work in June, I am not looking forward to having to enforce such measures.

I say get things back to normal as quickly as possible.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MrSimons kids can spread it. We cant re open until we have proper proceedures.

Long answer

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/11/britain-economy-coronavirus-deaths
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 So, just lock down those who are vulnerable and make sure the kids stay away from them. If you have kids who have underlying conditions, don't send them back. Same with staff. That seems to be the most sensible idea to me, otherwise we are going to be prisoners to this thing for God knows how long.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MrSimons Im not sure you have read my post and certainly havent read the article. Easing the lockdown before you have the virus under control doesn't even make sense on an economic level.
@MrSimons We are prisoners to this thing for God knows how long!!!

Do you know for sure how long immunity is going to last among those who have already had the virus once??? No, I thought not.

What are you going to do if this thing peaks again come September??? The public aren't going to take kindly to another 3 months of lockdown after losing most of spring to it... and that's before you even tell them that there is no Christmas this year. But, it doesn't matter just as long as the vulnerable remain isolated in the way that you don't want to, does it.

Have you even considered that none of us actually want to be isolated anymore than you do???