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Judge Emmet Sullivan and the Ted Stevens case

This history of that case tells us that the best is yet to come in the Flynn case. There Sullivan literally went after the prosecutors rather than merely exonerating Stevens which he did. A precursor of what is to come.

On April 7, 2009, Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia unleashed his fury before a packed courtroom. For 14 minutes, he scolded. He chastised. He fumed. “In nearly 25 years on the bench,” he said, “I’ve never seen anything approaching the mishandling and misconduct that I’ve seen in this case.”

It was the culmination of a disastrous prosecution: the public corruption case against former U.S. Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK).

Stevens was convicted in October 2008 of violating federal ethics laws by failing to report thousands of dollars in gifts he received from friends. But a team of prosecutors from the U.S. Department of Justice is accused of failing to hand over key exculpatory evidence and knowingly presenting false evidence to the jury.

The Stevens case is a cautionary tale. It reminds lawyers and nonlawyers alike of the power and failures of our legal system and those who have sworn to uphold the rule of law. At the center of the story are real people: an old and powerful politician, a crack defense team, determined prosecutors, and their supervisors.

“This is a fascinating case study for all lawyers,” says criminal defense lawyer Stanley M. Brand, a partner at Brand Law Group, P.C. “In these high-stakes cases, both sides can get pretty aggressive and push the envelope. It’s great to be aggressive—it’s great to push, but this case reminds people that they have to observe the limits and the rules.”

For months Judge Sullivan had warned U.S. prosecutors about their repeated failure to turn over evidence. Then, after the jury convicted Stevens, the Justice Department discovered previously unrevealed evidence. Meanwhile, a prosecution witness and an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) came forward alleging prosecutorial misconduct. Finally, newly appointed U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that he had had enough and recommended that the seven-count conviction against the former Alaska senator be dismissed.

On April 7, Judge Sullivan did just that. But he was far from done.

In an extraordinarily rare move, he ordered an inquiry into the prosecutors’ handling of the case. Judge Sullivan insisted that the misconduct allegations were “too serious and too numerous” to be left to an internal Justice Department investigation. He appointed Washington lawyer Henry F. Schuelke III of Janis, Schuelke & Wechsler to investigate whether members of the trial team should be prosecuted for criminal contempt.

“It’s obviously a serious and not-everyday occurrence for a judge to sic an independent counsel on prosecutors,” Brand says. “It’s an auger for the Justice Department. This judge’s tolerance was pushed to the limit, and prosecutors are not going to just go on their merry way. When judges do things like this, it tends to rattle the system a bit.”

With two investigations pending—one court-appointed, the other conducted by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility—Justice Department officials say they are reviewing current discovery practices and retraining lawyers on their discovery obligations. It remains to be seen what consequences, if any, the prosecutors in this case will face.

“If all of our lives and careers were defined by our mistakes, nobody would have a job, so you hate to think that one mistake—even if it happens to be a highly publicized one—would damage someone’s career,” says Michael E. O’Neill, an associate professor who specializes in criminal law, criminal procedure, and constitutional law at George Mason University School of Law. “That said, prosecutors have to be absolutely fair and above board to ensure that justice is done.”

Brendan V. Sullivan Jr., Stevens’ defense lawyer and a senior partner at Williams & Connolly LLP, described the misconduct of prosecutors as “stunning.” He says the case is a sad story and a warning to everyone that any citizen can be convicted “if prosecutors are hell-bent on ignoring the Constitution and willing to present false evidence.”
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
What if the outcome is that he goes after the current prosecutor and still sentences Flynn? As in, the charges won't be dismissed.

[media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cid38A_9e04]

I watched trough this guys video yesterday, and kinda did some digging in some of the paperwork that is shown. And it seems legit at first glance. If this guy is correct, it doesn't pain't a nice picture of how this thing have been handled by the current department of justice.

On 14:34 you find this document:

https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agents from the FBI ("January 24 voluntary interview"). During the interview, FLYNN falsely stated that he did not ask Russia's Ambassador to the United States ("Russian Ambassador") to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of FLYNN's request.

This testimony was signed by Flynn, so he just agreed to lieing to the FBI on two diffrent occasions. If you look at the entire video, other claims are made and backed up by the legal documents that are already gathered in the case.

So it seems to be that this case just needed to be presented to a judge, and a verdict was needed. But the justice department now asks to exonerate Flynn. Which is a diffrent situation then the Ted Stevens' case. Stevens never pleaded guilty, neither did the department of justice ask the prosecutor to drop charges. The strangeness in the Flynn case, is that you have an actual document signed by Flynn admitting guilt. The problem for the judge seems to be, that you have an entire dossier against Flynn, and no one is willing to prosecute because the political interests of the head of the executive branch and the one being prosecuted are in alignment. Creating a problem, since you need someone that argues before and someone that argues against a case to make a ruling (the adversarial process).

On 16.12.2019, Sullivan already wasn't really nice about the whole situation. He declared:

And it is undisputed that Mr. Flynn not only made those false statements to the FBI agents, but he also made the same false statements to the Vice President and senior White House officials, who, in turn, repeated Mr. Flynn’s false statements to the American people on national television.

Source: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.144.0_3.pdf

For those intrested, you can find the entire court drama out here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6234142/united-states-v-flynn/?order_by=desc


And isn't the reason that the adversarial process is in dispute in this case, exactly the reason why the judge asked for "amicus briefs", where he's looking for a 3th party that wants to aid/play the prosecution?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Flynn signed under duress. Emmet is covering himself. @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson

Finally, the Court summarily disposes of Mr. Flynn’s arguments that the FBI conducted an ambush interview for the purpose of trapping him into making false statements and that the government pressured him to enter a guilty plea. The record proves otherwise.

[...]

Signed:
Emmet G. Sullivan
United States District Judge
December 16, 2019

This is literally from the judge Jack.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Then why is he keeping the case open. Flynn will walk and those that abused him will be dealt with appropriately. @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson

Because the adversarial process of "defense" against "prosecution" has broken down. Since the prosecution, even with all the evidence it has suddenly, for unexplainable reasons, stopped the prosecution.

It's a case, where all the pieces to move to a verdict are there. You have the phone calls which apperently (if I understood it well) were under surveillance. You have Flynn voluntarily going to an FBI questioning, lieing to the FBI. You have Flynn lieing to the vice president. You have proof of information going to a foreign administration that hurts US interests at that time... like, according to the court documents there seems to be a lot of stuff on the table. And then Flynn, later on, pleaded guilty and signed a document saying: "Yes, I did it". And the evidence isn't dismissed, in this case right now it only seems to be a discussion on a technical matter, that Flynn signed his guilty plea without an attorney present and that he changed his story to having signed that document under stress. That doesn't destroy the evidence.

But the department of justice, which delivered the prosecutor (several by now, because at least one of them quit in disgust) refuses to prosecute. Even though the evidence is there. So Sullivan wrote a letter 5 days ago for an "amicus brief" so that a 3th party can aid with the prosecution. Because the prosecution right now (the governement) has the same agenda as the defendant. And this is a problem for the court, especially since it's not that they have no evidence.

And as the document from 16.12.2019 shows, even if the judge would grant Flynn that the guilty plea should be disregarded because it was made without an attorney present. Then the case shouldn't be dismissed, but it should move to a retrial.

Even if Mr. Flynn established a Brady violation in this case, dismissal would be unwarranted because “[t]he remedy for a Brady violation is retrial, not dismissal.”

Because the evidence isn't dismissed.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
We aren’t talking about Emmet dismissing on any merits. Procedurally the government is withdrawing the charges. @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson I understand that last part... I answered the problem with that idea twice now.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
A judge can’t make prosecutors prosecute. That may that it rolls in China where you seem to prefer to live. @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson I wouldn't use China as a counter example in this case if I were you.

You have material evidence of a crime (he lied too the FBI and the incoming Trump administration via Pence), you have the fact that Flynn pleaded guilty to the crime on several occasions, he supported the investigation after he pleaded guilty to the crime, ... etc

This has all gone to court, the evidence pieces are listed in the documents that I linked you. This was seen by a judge (same judge that has been handling this case over 2 years now) and thus listed in the log. Everyone that takes the time to look what was written so far, will find it hard to believe that Flynn his innocent, even though the entire process wasn't concluded betting on him being innocent is really big leap of faith.

Then at some point, the justice department stops prosecuting Flynn. It's in their right to do so (under article 48 -https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_48)... but at the verry least you should ask the question "why", and if this is in the best interest of "the people" which they are representing as the governement. You have case where everything points to guilty, and the justice department just drops the cases with a legal argument that is beings scrutinized by members of both political parties, the former attorney general (Mary B. McCord - Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/opinion/bill-barr-michael-flynn.html) and even his own justice department (since only Barr signed the document for dismissal, no one else wanted to sign it).

So the judge has material evidence of a crime, and a governement unwilling to prosecute. Something which is pretty unussual. That's why he allowed amicus brief, so that 3th parties can aid the court or take up the role of the prosecution. Because as you said: "A judge can't make prosecutors prosecute.". But you aren't talking about the material evidence, you are just dismissing it because the executive branch just stops it's prosecution. This is something that if you read the documents in the links, the judge doesn't seem to want to do.

Therefore the Judge has some options left at his dispossal. What you call "covering himself" might just as well be perceived as an attempt to seek justice. One of these things is the Amicus brief, where people can either aid, give advice or just become a 3th party in the case.

In this article of lawfare:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-wants-drop-flynns-case-can-judge-say-no

Two students applying for their doctorate in juriprudence, argue that there are also an other options for judge:

[...]Sullivan might conceivably convert the government’s motion to one without prejudice. If Sullivan converted the motion, a future Justice Department would be able to refile the case.

and they add

One thing Sullivan clearly has the authority to do, however he rules on the motion, is to demand an explanation. The Justice Department’s position in this case is genuinely unusual. The defendant and the government have gone from agreeing that Flynn is guilty of a crime to agreeing that the charge cannot stand without much significant change in underlying facts. What’s more, no career prosecutor who worked the case was willing to sign the government’s brief seeking dismissal. At a minimum, Sullivan clearly has the authority to call the government lawyers before him to defend and account for their decision to dismiss Flynn’s charges.

A teacher at the University of Stanford Law School D.A. Skalansky says the folowing, after admitting that the DOJ has a strong case, in an intervieuw:

It’s highly, highly unusual. I can’t think of another example of the government asking to have charges dropped after a defendant has already pleaded guilty—let alone after the defendant has pleaded guilty twice—and complaints about unfair treatment have been roundly rejected by the trial judge.

Ordinarily, a trial judge has to defer to the decisions of the Executive Branch about whether to continue a prosecution. But the law gives the judge the authority to refuse to dismiss the charges if the dismissal is the government acting in bad faith, or if dismissal would be manifestly contrary to the public interest. Alternatively, Judge Sullivan could agree to dismissal of the case, but not to dismissal with prejudice: he could dismiss the case without prejudice to a later refiling. Either way, this would be an extraordinary step for the judge to take, but these are extraordinary circumstances. Attorney General Barr’s handling of this case reinforces the complaints, already widespread, that he is threatening the rule of law by allowing partisan considerations to entirely displace impartial professionalism at the Department of Justice.

Source: https://law.stanford.edu/2020/05/11/doj-drops-charges-against-former-national-security-advisor-michael-flynn/

What this guy is referring too, is the nature of article 48, which explicitly says:

(a) By the Government. The government may, with leave of court, dismiss an indictment, information, or complaint. The government may not dismiss the prosecution during trial without the defendant's consent.

Meaning that court might not be the prosecution, they are still not obliged to grant the prosecution their request for dismissal. This entire thing is also discussed in the national law journal:

Source: https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/05/19/barrs-move-to-drop-flynn-case-puts-spotlight-on-1977-us-supreme-court-ruling/?slreturn=20200420071828#

... And that's where the entire process in the court stands today. So yes, the DOJ can invoke article 48, but the court doesn't need to agree with it. How they are going to solve the mess they are creating? Who the fuck knows at this point. But just saying that this case will be automatically dropped because the DOJ is not doing what it's supposed to do, is a pretty big step. Because if the DOJ had a good legal argument on why this case would be dismissed, things would have gone over way more smoothly. The entire problem is, that the DOJ doesn't have a good legal argument. It's portraying that the material evidence against Flynn, that everyone can read up on and that was presented to the courts, just ain't enough to move to a court ruling on the case. As if the case is automatically lost, even though the evidence is there.


To end... China is an authoritarian state, where there is no devision of powers and the parliament and courts are under direct control of the state. In our system, these powers are seperate and all of them have an obligation to the people. You should really ask yourself if "the people" are trully served by an executive branch that is not willing to prosecute someone on whom they have material evidence of perjury. Someone that is openly gets sympathy from the head of the executive branch, who also totally denies the material evidence in anny assessment he makes about this case, even though the executive branch fired him after Flynn lied to them. You sometimes use the world "elitism", how is that not applicable here if a clique just decides who is guilty and who is not and is unwilling to do it's job in favour of those they like Jack? Because that kind of behavior happens in authoritarian regimes all the time, regimes like China where top officials aren't going to court if the state deems that it's not nescesary.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
So you agree that I’m correct that a prosecutor is never required to prosecute yet you blather on. You have an axe to grind. Here is a novel idea. Worry about the nonsense going on in your own country and


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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson Jack, I've answered that part in my commentary... it's right there. It's not the same as just "dismissing" the case. The court is trying to figure out what to do as we speak. I delivered you all the sources, I've not attacked you on a personal level, I've kept to the facts. You know, those things you love to talk about. That from someone that says that he is always eager to hear or read fact based comments. And doesn't tolerate bias, prejudice, hate speech and nonfactual obnoxious statements.

How can you keep that self-image up when you say:

Flynn will walk and those that abused him will be dealt with appropriately.

When we have yet to see evidence of the abuse from a guy that plead guilty twice, worked with the investigation after he pleaded guilty. Like... what abuse are we speaking off?

How can you talk so casually about dismissing this case, when the own justice department isn't doing it's job? This should actually be a concern of everyone, across party lines. Because everything in this case screams for an investigation in corruption. As well as faults made by the FBI durin their investigation, but also ESPECIALLY to a DOJ that stops playing the game after being dealt a monster hand.

And starting a toppic on an open forum, means that annyone can reply. If you only want people from the US to reply, then maybe you shouldn't be on here. If you think outsiders can't say annything sensible, then maybe you are just prejudiced and biassed.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Prosecution may always choose not to prosecute. End of story. You just are frustrated because that’s true and things are not going your way. Tough luck. @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson So much for the rule of law, where the law is equal for every citizen then. Do something wrong when you belong to the team, and we'll just won't prosecute, 'cause that's okay now.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You’re jumping to conclusions. The FBI entrapped him for political purposes. Whatever you blabber doesn’t change that. @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson According to what evidence Jack? I already showed you the case files, nothing supports that theorie. It's the team that is taking hypothesis for reality, if Flynn is so sure of that then it should go to court and he should fight against it by providing counter evidence. Instead Barr just signs a letter for dismissal because he doesn't want to prosecute annymore even though the material evidence of guilt is there. Barr is pretty much playing judge and jurry by not pursuing a potential federal crime, a theorie backed up by material evidence and a guilty plea that was done on several occasions.

I also wonder how the FBI made Flynn lie to Vice-President Pence. It just doesn't make sense.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Ive been patient with you up to this point Mrs Pelosi. Please peddle your nonsense elsewhere. Thank you.


@Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson So we aren't making assessemnts on facts, we are just trusting the establishment that is trying to push an agenda?

Just a few messages ago, I was the guy that wanted to live in China. How quick stuff changes right Jack?
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You still belong in China and Flynn was entrapped. The FBI itself stated it wrongly deliberate;y planned and set up thr perjury charge. You’re a pest at this point. It doesn’t help whatever agenda you’re trying to push. I asked nice and yet you’re back. Beat it! @Kwek00
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson I'm just trying to figure out if you can back up your claim with anny evidence Jack. Throwing people out of your safe space, won't make the lack of evidence go away.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Gee whiz you’re like poison ivy. OK here is what the Washington Post (very left leaning) found:

Let’s be clear: A crime was committed in the Michael Flynn case. But that crime was committed not by the retired general, but by someone who leaked the classified details of his conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
The Justice Department was correct to drop charges against Flynn for lying to the FBI about his communications with Kislyak. The case was reviewed by Jeff Jensen, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri with two decades of experience as a prosecutor and FBI special agent, and the resulting 108-page motion to dismiss is a searing indictment of FBI misconduct.
The department found that there was no legal justification for the FBI to question Flynn in the first place, because the interview was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation” of Flynn. The FBI had decided to close that inquiry because of an “absence of any derogatory information.” That meant Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements that were not “material” to any investigation. For Flynn to have committed a crime, his statement had to have been “not simply false, but ‘materially’ false with respect to a matter under investigation.” In his plea, Flynn “stipulated to the essential element of materiality” without being informed that the FBI had already cleared him in the underlying investigation.
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That fact alone is disgraceful. Even more outrageous is that the bureau interrogated Flynn about communications the Justice Department says were “entirely appropriate.” He was the incoming national security adviser, and his “request that Russia avoid ‘escalating’ tensions in response to U.S. sanctions … was consistent with him advocating for, not against, the interests of the United States.” There was nothing in the calls to suggest he was being “directed and controlled by … the Russian federation.” And the FBI did not need his recollections of the calls because it had word-for-word transcripts.
It seems clear that the purpose of the interview was to set a perjury trap. The agents did not inform the White House counsel before the interview so as to catch Flynn by surprise; they did not share the transcripts with Flynn during the interview (which would have allowed him to refresh his memory); they did not warn him that making false statements would be a crime — all of which are standard procedure. Even so, both of the agents who questioned him came away with the impression that “Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.”
For these and other reasons, the Justice Department withdrew the charges against Flynn. The fact that the judge in the case is refusing to accept the department’s decision — and has appointed a former judge to contest it —only perpetuates the FBI’s miscarriage of justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/14/someone-committed-crime-michael-flynn-case-it-wasnt-him/

CASE CLOSED LEAVE ME ALONE




@Kwek00