Without voter suppression could a Republican candidate ever hope to win the Presidency ?

@Mrbeast52 Oh?

@QuixoticSoul yes

@Mrbeast52 Because we have a republic?

Bingo a constitutional republic @QuixoticSoul

@Mrbeast52 Which is a representative democracy, and everyone in the universe has long dropped the qualifier.

@QuixoticSoul we are not a majority rule democracy if you want to get specific that's perfectly fine but the fact that we have the system we have is clear we don't have a direct democracy and we are better because of it we should not live by mob rule

@Mrbeast52 [quote]we should not live by mob rule[/quote]

Unless it's the right mob, apparently.

You don't think that every citizen should be afforded the right to vote? Yeah, that is evil. Sorry if you don't like it.

@daisymay that's not what I said I don't think there should be any mob rule. Any citizen can vote. Who isn't that's a legal citizen can't vote ?

@Mrbeast52 When people say "democracy" they pretty much never mean "direct democracy" - because the great democracies of the West are [i]all[/i] representative democracies.

The whole "we are not a democracy we are a republic" stance is just silly.

Would you try to correct him too?

@QuixoticSoul I prefer to use the words of our founders they built it and that guy has no effect on me I have no human as my lord and master as a crutch

@Mrbeast52 So, yes 😂

Language changes, dude. You have to read the founders words in context - and same goes for modern communication. We live in a democracy, as the typical Western person understands the term - and it has been this way since the Framing. The founders themselves, after settling their earlier debates, referred to the US as a democracy - because even in their era it was understood that a representative democracy is a form of democracy.

@QuixoticSoul I understand that but I'm being very clear in my words so no one can try and slip in direct democracy that's how you get people trying to get rid of the electoral college

@Mrbeast52 Electoral college has nothing to do with direct vs representative democracy or us being a constitutional republic - it’s one example of how US is a [i]federation[/i].

Direct democracy is not especially practical - and if we get rid of the electoral college, we will remain a representative democracy.

@QuixoticSoul I'm not disagreeing but I don't want to give an inch on that it's one of the only things I won't budge on

@Mrbeast52 I commend your devotion to ideological purity but it’s hard to understand what it is exactly you’re not budging [i]against[/i].

Basically nobody at all is attempting to institute direct democracy.

@Mrbeast52 [quote]Who isn't that's a legal citizen can't vote ?[/quote]

I think we're done here. You won't acknowledge that the quotes in the question are about legal residents. Or that voter ID is designed to disenfranchise legal residents. Or that polling places that serve minority areas are often closed down at election time. Or that voter roll purges seem to only heavily impact registered Democrats.

[quote]that's not what I said[/quote]

You didn't need to. The mere fact that you are bringing this up as a defense during a time when the GOP is literally destroying the Republic speaks volumes. You're absolutely fine with the mob that is in power now and want to make sure it would be as difficult as possible to remove them. Good job!

Hopefully, the mob won't turn on you after they've eliminated all those pesky Democrats who would like to see more people voting and for it to be made easier for them to do so.

@daisymay what are you talking about? If there was voter suppression and the GOP has so much power how did Obama get elected if bush was in power ?

@Mrbeast52 Oh, definitely done. You are a True Believer and beyond hope.

Farewell, Mr. Part of the Problem!

@QuixoticSoul I'm sorry I'll try and be clear I tend to leave most thoughts in my head lol.
I don't want the electoral college to be abolished because that leaves the large cities and most populated areas in the country the ability to steam roll over smaller populations and keep them from having a voice. I believe that's wrong, if that happens I see a scenario where we slowly move to a direct democracy from there then minority groups will truly be pushed out of the conversation. I don't believe silencing people is the way to solve issues we should talk about and discuss them and prove that the bad ideas are bad and the well intentioned ideas that are unsustainable are not doable it's the best method.

@daisymay what are you talking about ? This is why no issue will get solved because if I don't agree with you you just shutdown because there's no way you can be wrong and I could never be right. It has to be this team has to win to solve things because it has all the right answers and that team is evil because they disagree with me.

@Mrbeast52 [quote]that team is evil because they disagree with me[/quote]

No, that team is evil because they're evil. Do you know what "done" means?

Do I need to add a "good day, sir!" or something?

@daisymay I'll do it since you proved my point good day sir

@Mrbeast52 Abolishing the electoral college would not be a move towards a more direct democracy. These concepts are simply orthogonal.

If it happens, we will not move to a direct democracy either - because it is simply not logistically feasible.

@Mrbeast52 [quote]good day [b]sir[/b][/quote]

Hey, fuck you, too, bigot! 👋

@QuixoticSoul that's a twenty dollar word you threw out there I'm just farm hand sooo I'll have to google it but I'm assuming you're saying that my thought process isn't correct but if the past four years let alone the past three months have shown us no one knows what the fuck can happen