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The situation in Greece is fucked up and it's been raping my mind for a while so guess where I'm going to talk about it

(Yeah, you're the lucky ones)
So how it all starts is: government decides to build more camps in the islands for more refugees/migrants to come. The residents started complaining and trying to prevent it because they felt like they couldn't take this burden anymore. I'm not going to judge this act as I will try to be objective about it. So the riot police went to the islands and started attacking the people who were against it and the whole place turned into a battlefield. Previously riot police also attacked the refugees who were peacefuly protesting for open borders so that they could finally leave the islands and go where they wanted. So as you can see riot police will attack anyone, women along with their children and elderly included, both refugees and locals.
Then Turkey started having problems with the world so what Erdogan decided to do about it was telling the refugees that they're free to go to Europe. It's known that Turkey hasn't been the most pleasant country for them so of course they'd want to cross the borders into Europe. The thing is, while Turkey's borders were opened for them, Greece's weren't (Greece's government was also planning on creating a navigable fence so that no more boats of them would cross into the country from the sea borders). So when they arrived at the borders, they weren't welcomed. Instead they had police, paramilitary groups and everything waiting for them on the other side.
What happens next is chaos. If they tried to cross, they were captured, stolen and humiliated and sent back. Shots have been firing. Meanwhile greek coastguards are sinking boats. One of the shots killed 22 year old Syrian Muhammad al-Arab, and this murder was declared as "Turkish propaganda" by the greek media (not true, there's a video proving it was actually Greece's crime). Also there have been videos showing refugees trying to make their children cry or fake-drowning so it's all a mess.
I don't know where this is heading to. If Greece/Europe in general doesn't let them in and they have to go back to Turkey, things will be worse for them. It seems like both Greece and Turkey won't stop their games until every one of them is dead.
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SW-User
The one migrant that I saw on the news was exactly right when she said that it's all a game to the countries manipulating their existence. They are being used as pawns in bigger political and military battles. It's a sad state of affairs.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@SW-User truly. In the end those are the ones who are going to suffer another war and another... When and where are they going to be finally safe?
SW-User
It was like 2013 I think or 2014. I was constantly reading these reports of Syrian refugees suffering under horrendous conditions in the U.N. camps in Syria. There was little food, and the U.N. actually was about to announce that they were about to cut down the supply of food to Syria by half. Meaning that a bunch of people were just going to starve to death. There were a lot of protests to that, some people set themselves on fire and killed themselves in protest. So I looked up how the U.N. got their money, as it turns out they got most of their funding from the rich. If you were rich and felt like donating, then u donated to these missions. But at that time no one was donating. I remember that they had 1/10th of the money required to continue with their mission. So obviously, shit was about to go down. Alas, it all led us here.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@SW-User impressive how billions of people depend on some hundreds (are they even hundreds?). The rich have destroyed the world and everyone acts like they're heroes.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
We've been seeing this for years and it never gets any better.
You'd think that by now the E:U would have either deployed troops or at least a 'station' out there to monitor what occurs.

At least that would make it an E:U issue not just a Turkey/Greece problem.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Picklebobble2 well they're all like "we gave money to Turkey to handle the refugees, we also gave to Greece so they must be fine". Yeah, right, because THAT's how it works.
Using human lives as weapons. Never seen that tactic before..😐
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@HijabaDabbaDoo yeah well aren't we SO civilized?
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@HijabaDabbaDoo that's war in a nutshell
Carla · 61-69, F
In the end and if they were all honest, isnt that what Turkey wants. For them to all just be gone? Dead is gone
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Carla Both Turkey and Greece want that as it seems. Let's see how much better off we will be without them. Let me guess, we'll be in the exact same shit with or without refugees. But for now they're the scapegoats. At least both Greece and Turkey agree to that.
SW-User
Again, Greece with its new right-wing government and its new weird laws. Turkey playing dirty once again because...Erdogan. And refugees being in the middle of this, as if they haven't already suffered enough. Although, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
I do know one thing though, fuck the EU. I seriously hope they'll have to face Turkey's tactics for real sometime soon.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@SW-User I just want to bring every fucking politician to the borders and let them see and experience this shit first-hand, after that I'll maybe take their shitty opinions into consideration.
SW-User
@HannibalAteMeOut Please do, I'll be there to help.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@SW-User and kill them a bit while we're at it!
Greece, Hungry , Turkey -- The 3 most tastiest countries
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
Greece and turkeys government is shize. None of us want to deal with the consequences because our countries have already funded greece and turkey for the longest time and they still couldnt hold their deadlines to become a better government which EU required.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@MartinTheFirst what's worse is the people don't understand. Sure governments are shit but when there are extreme nationalists on both sides, blaming one another and both of them using the refugees as scapegoats... things couldn't be worse. I could do with a shitty government but I with shitty citizens this is just too much.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
@HannibalAteMeOut i try to give people if any nation the benefit of the doubt that if you were to give the correct set of tools to the average person theyd happily start building something.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@MartinTheFirst that's also true, it's difficult to know where it all got so wrong...
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Fucking hell. This entire situation is bad decisions by governments with worse solutions and everybody suffers.
HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@CountScrofula truly. They all say how Greece and Turkey have been getting money by the EU in order to handle this but it just cannot be handled. Really, how exactly did they expect those two particular countries to contain the situation?
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HannibalAteMeOut · 22-25, F
@Emosaur this makes me ashamed to be alive actually...

 
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