I find it a waste of breat to argue politics and religion. NOTHING will be resolved, but hatreds will be spawned.

Government - and religion - are the direct result of input and voting from the community and discussing the greatest goods. What you live influenced by (state leaders, dogma, rules and policies) are born into society by the citizens themselves.

If you think nothing comes of discussing these issues, I'd suggest you listen to closely to the arguments and small discussions. True debate and analysis with the common goal of progress in mind is what shapes nations.