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I really hope I'm wrong.

The UK people who voted Conservative for a hard Brexit did so thinking it'll make the country better.

Your side won and you've got what you wanted. Now we will see if the warnings from remainers and the left are project fear or whether they are true.

I've predicted a doubling down on thatcherite economics, a poorer country and trade deals which open up health and education to US companies. I don't think many of the people who voted for Johnson want these things.

Things could get fairly bad or extremely bad. I want to be wrong but I fear that I'm not.
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NativeOregonian · 51-55
Everyone I know in England that voted to leave are all in the agricultural and fishing industry, they all got tired of Brussells penalizing them every time they turned around.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@NativeOregonian Agriculture is very heavily subsidised by the EU. Fishing less do, but when post brexit you will need rules because the European fish stich is depleting.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Burnley123 According to one woman I know in Gretna, Scotland, who grew up on a farm, said that only corporate farmers get the subsidies, not independent family farmers, but that they are still forced to adhere to the same compliances. Another guy I know that owns his own fishing boat on the North Sea is sick and tired of Brussells telling him when he can and cannot go out and says the fear of depletion is pure bullshit.
SW-User
@NativeOregonian @Burnley123
Be interesting to see what happens but we export the majority of the fish we land in the UK to the EU, we're about to have that hit by tariffs.

I think a Westminster centric farming policy will not give subsidies at anything like the amounts the EU do whether big or small farms they will now be expected to react totally to market forces or go out of business. The government showed in the yellowhammer papers they won't put incoming tariffs on food to not drive up prices in shops. Therefore we'll be the obvious target for USA, South America etc farmers currently kept out by EU policy.

BTW fishing is 0.1% of the UK economy to be blunt the politicians won't give a shit about the fishing industry if it goes into fatal decline.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@SW-User And yet Winston Churchill refused to ration fish and potatoes during WW II because of how important fish and chips are to the British people, and that every year there is a seriously prestigious contest between shops all over the United Kingdom. Yes, I do believe the British government will take any failings quite serious and do anything to prevent it, regardless of the percentage to the economy.
SW-User
@NativeOregonian but the fish we use in fish n chips, cod, haddock etc, are imported our home fleet rarely land that. We import from Iceland and Denmark via the Faroe Isles. Salmon, next most popular to eat, whilst Scottish farms supply some the majority we import from Norway and USA.

Mostly the home fleet catch fish and seafood UK people don't eat and we export 80%of our catch to the EU.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@SW-User Numerous EU countries are coastal, so they can catch their own fish and the UK can keep their own, instead of exporting 80%, and then importing any "shortage'. Problem solved right there. The reason why they don't land that is because Brussells tells the fishers to stay out of those waters. Your reply actually proves my friend's point.
SW-User
@NativeOregonian but we can't go fish in those waters once not in the EU we have the wrong boats (in shore small etc)

It'll require us to dramatically change UK eating habits. Not impossible but unlikely I'd wager.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@SW-User I say do what needs to be done, be like your forefathers and pull up your bootstraps. The people of the UK were a proud and strong nation at one time, be like that again.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian And the farmers will be properly fucked over when Brexit happens and they don't get their EU subsidies.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Entwistle Subsidies that are steered towards corporatist farms and not independent family owned farms. Go on, keep sucking Brussells' dick, keep bending over.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian Your symptoms are showing.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Entwistle No, your god damned ignorance to what independent farmers are going through is what is showing, fucking twat.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian You can probably get some pills that will calm you down a bit.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Entwistle How many independent family farmers do you personally know?
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian Why did you start with the insults?
I don't know any,does that invalidate what I said?
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Entwistle It invalidates everything as you don't know the ground level of it all, what independent family farmers are actually going through, you're going by bullshit data that is fudged by some bureaucrat.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian Then they voted to be absolutely hammered by the current government.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian Independent or not farmers will be some of the hardest hit when Brexit kicks in.