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ChampagneAngel · 26-30, F
I don't think people voted Conservative for a 'hard' Brexit at all. (Many may have voted for any Brexit at all, yes).

They voted i) against terrible policies from Labour, and ii) against a terrible leader of Labour. They may in future elections, if Boris fulfils the promises he made this morning, vote in favour of the Conservatives. Hopefully Labour will have a non-terrible potential PM leading them.

They didn't believe Labour's scare stories ('selling the NHS' 😂), and recognised they had little basis in actual fact.

The Tories meanwhile will not assemble this remarkable coalition of voters again unless they do something to improve the lot (including in terms of public spending) of their new northern 'heartlands', and thus have a huge incentive to do just that.

The Tories won this election because Labour was useless...but they won't win another without looking after their new voters properly. So with respect, I completely disagree with you.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@ChampagneAngel I agree with everything you say.
Northwest · M
@ChampagneAngel In his own mind, this was a Brexit vote, no matter how it ends up formnuated. I watched his victory speech (if you can call it that), and Brexit is the only thing he talked about (in addition to his Trump style, prompting the crows to yell: Brexit).
ChampagneAngel · 26-30, F
@Northwest it really wasn't actually. But I trust we can all least hope the govt to put best foot forward on this. I'm not exactly a Brexit fan but it's going to happen. The Conservatives like them or not got a majority in the election.

We can at least hope for good outcomes surely

Entwistle · 56-60, M
Brexit is set to be a disaster.
No economist forecasts that it will be a success.Brexit is the stupidest thing Britain has done for centuries.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@QuixoticSoul You just said it right there, bankruptcy, if they were getting subsidies, they wouldn't be LOSING their farms in the first place.

You wouldn't last three seconds with my uncle, 6'4 pure muscle from farming, as well as left the Army in '68 as a Sargeant, did a tour in S.E. Asia.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@NativeOregonian They are getting subsidies. And still going bankrupt. That’s just how wrong about their industry many of them are.

Not worried mate 🤷‍♂️
RubySoo · 56-60, F
@NativeOregonian straight after the original Brexit vote, Welsh farmers asked Westminister if they would be matching the funding, subsidies that the EU had be paying them. They were laughed out of the water and told straight ....nowhere near....'we don't have that sort of money to give you'.
So....they know they are doomed. They could barely stay a float with EU money.
Northwest · M
Here's what our President said:

[quote]Congratulations to Boris Johnson on his great WIN! Britain and the United States will now be free to strike a massive new Trade Deal after BREXIT. This deal has the potential to be far bigger and more lucrative than any deal that could be made with the E.U. Celebrate Boris![/quote]

You've got nothing to worry about. Welcome to our superior health insurance and pharmaceutical ecosystem.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 [quote]Who wouldn't trust Donald Trump?
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Any sentient being.
@LvChris Of course, his go to is always, “how can my financial interests be served ?”
monte3 · 70-79, M
Good luck!
Is it possible that fear of Brexit so high the bar for success is crazy low?
If the experience here means anything the true believers will claim it a success no matter what.
@monte3 I was thinking the very same thing.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard For sure blame will be shifted if things go badly and people will not want to keep believing. And yes, I've learnt that from seeing Trump supporters in SW.
MartinII · 70-79, M
Amazing how many unsupported assumptions you can get into one sentence! You do not know how many people voted Conservative because of Brexit, and how many for other reasons (there are some obvious candidates!). Nor do you know how many voted because they wanted what you call a “hard” Brexit. Some probably just wanted any kind of Brexit. Nor do you know that these people think “it’ll make the country better”, whatever that means. Many probably just want to be independent, for better or worse. Some no doubt expect specific policy changes, such as restrictions on immigration. Some probably just wanted to give the left-wing establishment a bloody nose. Some (including, I know for a fact, some who personally supported remain) simply take the view that if you promise to do something you should do it.

As to thatcherite economics, Johnson has promised more borrowing and more government spending, especially on capital projects. Nothing very thatcherite about that.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@NativeOregonian So, of course, would Johnson if Michael Gove hadn’t shafted him after the referendum.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@MartinII Theresa May wasn't much help either.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@NativeOregonian That’s putting it mildly!
windinhishair · 61-69, M
I fear that you are correct. The only consolation is that the worst of it will likely take some time to emerge, which also means that there will be time to deal with the consequences, and work to mitigate them. Good luck.
@NativeOregonian You mean when [b]they[/b] were subjugating other people, etc. ? [b]That[/b] was [i][b]colonialism[/b][/i], and hardly glorious. 😒
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@bijouxbroussard I mentioned in another thread that other than the colonial imerialism, England and the UK had a glorious history, and that for centuries the country was strong and held its own against others, and that the UK can do it again, that leaving was the best thing to do, but it seems like the remainer whiners don't wish to do such a thing.
@NativeOregonian Except that the colonialism was a huge part of it, euphemistically referred to as “empire-building”. And now they wonder why they have so many immigrants from the nations they “settled”,”civilized”(disrupted) and then “liberated”.
SW-User
@NativeOregonian A lot of the agricultural industry relies on cheap labour from Eastern Europe. There were already stories this year of crops not getting picked because of lack of labour as there were fewer migrant workers. I live in a fishing town, most of the catch is sold to EU countries. I'm not sure leaving the EU is going to help either of these groups.
SW-User
@SW-User I don't have much time for a lot of the UK at the moment to be honest.
RubySoo · 56-60, F
@SW-User i know a lot of folk in the farming community. Times have been hard for a long time...but a lit of them cant seemuch point in carrying on.
SW-User
@RubySoo especially in your area. If there is no deal for 2021 on lamb farming will be in big trouble 80% of UK products go to EU and will Dave a 40% tariff.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Isn't there the possibilty now though (with a thumping majority) that Johnson will throw the ERG mob under the bus and go for a softer Brexit ?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
alan20 · M
Our quality of life is unlikely to improve At least the DUP took a hammering. As my father would have said : Hell rub it into them.
SW-User
@alan20 Dodds a losing his seat was the only bright spot for me
NativeOregonian · 51-55
Everyone I know in England that voted to leave are all in the agricultural and fishing industry, they all got tired of Brussells penalizing them every time they turned around.
NativeOregonian · 51-55
@Entwistle It invalidates everything as you don't know the ground level of it all, what independent family farmers are actually going through, you're going by bullshit data that is fudged by some bureaucrat.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian Then they voted to be absolutely hammered by the current government.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@NativeOregonian Independent or not farmers will be some of the hardest hit when Brexit kicks in.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Few rational folks would say the Brexit is a good idea - but more years of paralysis and wrangling could be even worse.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul It was always gonna be a mess. There are degrees of being f***ed though.
ThePerfectUsername · 70-79, M
The £ is already up 1.5% against the $ and the euro.
Not a bad knock-on effect for the first half a day imo.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@ThePerfectUsername Expected. After all these years, the paralysis was causing it more damage than the reality of brexit itself.
SW-User
I don't disagree with your assessment.
First real issue will be in exactly a year from now when the transition period ends with no deal.
at first they'll pay for the divorce but in the long run they'll win
SW-User
I'm glad to see that conservatives won over there.
RubySoo · 56-60, F
Its going to be awful...and its pretty bad now...
raysam363 · 31-35, F
Time will tell. Besides, after any major change the economy will dip. Still, I guess enough people were tired of the waffling and the status quo.
Ian123 · 61-69, M
A vote for Corbyn would have been much more risky
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Ian123 bonkers
Ian123 · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 Are we talking about Corbyn or Me 😀
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Ian123 You.
RubySoo · 56-60, F
I find it odd though it was such a Tory landslide. I k ow not one person that voted Tory.... not one...
room101 · 51-55, M
"......and the left"???????

We must be looking at very different "lefts"

 
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