What if Trump loses?
Just want to see how people feel not saying he will nothing is certain just what if he doesn't get in for a second term?
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BlueVeins · 22-25
It really depends who wins. If Bernie wins, we'd probably get MFA, Wall Street Regulations, reduced global military involvement, and a much stronger scholarship program. The bank regulations and reduced warfare might not last the next president's term, but it would at least give us temporary reprieve from all these boom-bust cycles. The Democratic Party would be forced leftwards rather than their fairly centrist/moderate-right current position. If Warren wins, we'll get the same shit but less of it, and even less with Gabbard. If an empty suit like Buttigieg or Klubuchar gets elected, we'll get the same kinda asshole in the White house again next election cycle.
JessJessYay · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins Bernie or Warren won’t get anything passed. Their policies are too extreme and only appeals to a small percentage of voters. So it won’t be worth it to anyone in the house or senate to support their agenda. So they’d be a bust.
The “empty suits” as you call them? You mean people who actually get things done? Buttigieg has turned his city around. And Klobuchar was convincingly re-elected in a midwestern swing state. That takes smart governing. The moderates can beat Trump and have a successful presidency. Except Biden. Joe is worrying me lol
The “empty suits” as you call them? You mean people who actually get things done? Buttigieg has turned his city around. And Klobuchar was convincingly re-elected in a midwestern swing state. That takes smart governing. The moderates can beat Trump and have a successful presidency. Except Biden. Joe is worrying me lol
BlueVeins · 22-25
@JessJessYay We already tried a moderate against Trump and she failed miserably. Bernie Sanders has gotten the $15/hour minimum wage passed in 15 states and cities, mended the VA in Virginia after that giant scandal, passed more amendments on bills than any other congress member in history, created the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund Act, passed a major expansion to community health services in 2001 worth $100 million, etcetera. The notion that Bernie wouldn't get anything passed is absolute hogwash. And no, Sanders' ideas aren't extreme at all; anywhere from 56-70 percent of Americans support M4A; if anything, privatized insurance is the extreme view that needs to go.
JessJessYay · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins Hillary failed because she isn’t a good politician, at all lol. Not because of her positions. Bernie or Warren can’t win outside of their liberal bubbles. Look at the midterms. We took back the house because of moderate candidates winning in swing districts. The extreme Democrats either lost or, if they did win, it was because they ran in an already very liberal district that any democrat would carry.
AOC couldn’t win in a suburban or rural district.
AOC couldn’t win in a suburban or rural district.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@JessJessYay It may be true that these left-wing democrats haven't gained broad support yet, but the policies Bernie is running on are generally supported by the vast majority of Americans. As soon as he's in the national debate with Trump and he gets to make his case to the public at large, it's gonna be bye-bye Donald. And Bernie's strategies are well-matched to Donald Trump's. Trump's core strategy is speaking in generalities and aiming for the throat. Sanders's core strategy is speaking a language of statistics and facts while also aiming for the throat. Klobuchar and Buttigieg can't command the same level of attention from a crowd.
The mark of a successful politician is their ability to tell a story and provide a resolution. Obama's story was a story about communities that had been left behind in the progress of the '90s and early 2000's. Trump's story was a story about a liberal elite that had sold their country to the Chinese, and let Mexicans steal all of the jobs. His solution was to get rids of those liberals, cancel the deals, and banish those Mexicans. Bernie's story is about a generation of good Americans who had had their economic opportunity stolen from them by the billionaires, and his solution is to tax the shit out of the latter to provide services for the former. Clinton's story was about a fat man who sends racist Tweets and that's why she lost. Buttigieg and Klobuchar are going to lose for basically the exact same reason. They're just not exciting.
The mark of a successful politician is their ability to tell a story and provide a resolution. Obama's story was a story about communities that had been left behind in the progress of the '90s and early 2000's. Trump's story was a story about a liberal elite that had sold their country to the Chinese, and let Mexicans steal all of the jobs. His solution was to get rids of those liberals, cancel the deals, and banish those Mexicans. Bernie's story is about a generation of good Americans who had had their economic opportunity stolen from them by the billionaires, and his solution is to tax the shit out of the latter to provide services for the former. Clinton's story was about a fat man who sends racist Tweets and that's why she lost. Buttigieg and Klobuchar are going to lose for basically the exact same reason. They're just not exciting.
JessJessYay · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins I agree with both sides of the left. The far left is right in that a vanilla establishment safe candidate doesn’t work. That’s been proven with Hillary, Kerry, Gore. BUT the moderate wing is correct in that far left candidates don’t win either. ie McGovern, Dukakis, or any on any national level. What win is a centrist pragmatic candidate, with charisma. So own outside Washington typically. With an ability to connect. Someone that bridges the gap between the far left and moderates. Like Bill Clinton and Obama. Both of whom were more moderate, but more left than the establishment. Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Mayor Pete all fit that mold really well.