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@Kwek00 [quote]Is Carl Benjamin still running?[/quote]

He ran for the European Parliament but came nowhere near because UKIP did disastrously badly. Unfortunately, the reason for that was because Farage's Brexit party swelled most of their votes. UKIP are kind of irrelevant at the moment but there are mainstream parties who are bad enough.

@Burnley123 You think Carl only did bad because of Nigel not backing him up? You don't think that being Carl contributed?

@Kwek00 After the 2017 election, Farage left UKIP and then UKIP went in a more explicitly far-right direction. They got Carl, Count Dankula and Milo to join and also were in alliance with Tommy Robinson.

This alienated their more moderate fans but they still would have done quite well in a European election because of the hard-Brexit vote. Then Farage came back and formed his own party which united the far-right leaning Brexit vote with the center-right Brexit vote and demolished UKIP. It's also why we have Johnson as PM because his party hoovered up all the Tory Brexiteers in that European election.

@Burnley123 Milo? Didn't he just campaigned? I thought my buddy PJ Watson was the 3th musketeer [i](yes I'm aware... the 3 musketeers have 4 members)[/i].

@Kwek00 I think Milo has pretty much disappeared but my point is that UKIP signed up these alt-lite youtube dickheads and flirted with Tommy Rob.

I think they would have got at least 15-20% in the European elections without Farage standing because they would have been the only unambiguously pro-hard-Brexit party standing.

@Burnley123 I know all that... I just wanted to know if he's going to run? I mean, the guy has an ego that eclipses the sun. You just never know.

The liberalist society is still up tough.

http://liberalists.org/

Good old liberalist society... The true liberals, that hush people that express their distace for ultra conservative ideas because it might help those on the left side of the bracket. The true liberals that position themselves in the middle while their women have to stay in the kitchen. 👍️

@Kwek00 Is Dave Ruben a member?

I'm a pedant for terms (as I'm sure you are too lolz) and I get quietly furious when people deliberately mislabel their politics.

@Burnley123 I don't think Dave is intrested in the Liberalist Society. There is just no money in it.

I don't think Carl dislabels his politics though... he just doesn't understand them.

@Kwek00 [quote]I don't think Dave is interested in the Liberalist Society. There is just no money in it.[/quote]

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[quote]I don't think Carl mislabels his politics though... he just doesn't understand them.[/quote]

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@Burnley123 That last one... might sound like a joke... but next to comming over as a joke, I'm in a certain way really serious about that part. I generally believe that Carl believes that he is a consistent advocat for liberal values. He's one of those people [i](at least that's how I perceive him)[/i] that really believes that he what he's doing, his "agenda" is consistent. He has this "romantic" idea of being intelligent, because he quotes [i](mostly British)[/i] liberals out of the 19th century. But he never really thought about the complications of those ideas. It's like he read them, he understands the language, he understand the concept, but never asked the question: "what does it actually mean?... and how does it reflect on my opinions and behavior?".

He also has an etremely romantic idea about what it means to be "British". And inside the British mindset, there are no seeds that can grow up to something evil. What British people do [i](and he thinks that "the people" is a verry particle part of Britain, and he's totally blind to this fallacy when he talks about it)[/i] is always right and okay. And because of this great philosophical herritage that the British territory brought forth, nothing can go wrong as long as we conserve it. [i](which... already sounds a bit less liberal, but ... that's one of those consequences he doesn't think about)[/i]

And as 3th element... he's a team player. He recognises "us" and "them" and part of his agenda is trying to not be victimised by "them" by attacking "them" and supporting enemies of "them" because it benefits "us". What he also doesn't understand is that the enemies of "them" are actually part of "them". Not manny poppulists make that mistake... but Carl [i](as he said in his last interview)[/i] is a man from the people, for the people and articulates what the people think. Which... doesn't really give me a lot of hope for "the people", specially since the man of the "people" is totally ignorant to the fact that using "them" to fight "them" only supports "them" 😵 [i](But I guess all "them" are equal but some "them" are less equal then other "them" ... when it serves "us" - also an idea from a british writer, one which he often quotes off) [/i]

In short... if you give Carl Benjamins' ideas in in a logical device [i](like a computer program)[/i] ... it would probably take centuries to debug. There are just to much paradoxical things going on in there.

@Kwek00 There have been instances where he's been caught lying but yeah. He's not anywhere near as smart as he thinks he is.

I do think there are elements of misogyny which motivate his worldview as well.

A lot of libertarians have moved in a alt right leaning direction even though it seams like a big leap at face value. I think libertarianism (or that type of classical liberalism) is as much state of mind as an ideology.

Contrarian, anti establishment and anti left. Plenty of people argue (and not without reason) that Conservative libertarianism took off in America and nowhere else because of the legacy of slavery and racial resentment. We want a small government and states rights because we do not want to give money to people who don't look like us. I think that is in the subconscious of classical liberals and libertarians

@Burnley123 If you are a "libertarian"... like a true "libertarian", if those concepts are really what you believe in... then you never end up with borderline or extreme right wing organisation unless you have gone trough a painfull identity crisis.

I think most of the examples you are thinking off, are just posers that don't really understand the idea of libertarianism. Like Lauren... who ran in the libertarian party, but is just as much a libertarian then VI Lennin was. 😅

Aren't most thinkers that started that all from the Island?
You don't think conservatives have a point at times? I think Conservatives and Progresives keep eachother real as long as they listen to eachother. This deep cleavage you are seeing where both teams stare at eachother but are less and less able to communicate is seriously unhealthy for both of them.

@Kwek00 Milo, Richard Spencer, Saargon, Paul joseph watson, dave Ruben, Alex Jones. Many mmore too in the alt lite libertarian crossover.

There is often a difference between sated ideology and how it is practiced.

@Burnley123 There is also something like adopting a term that doesn't belong to you. Like the "democratic republic of congo", congo can call it'self democratic as much as it wants... there is no "diffrence" between the idology and he practise... the democratic part just ain't there. But it sounds good. 👍️

I think everyone that really believes in libertarian values... would have a hard time considering those guys part of the team tough. Except for Dave... but Dave is a pretty ambiguous person all together.