What's so bad about using the Office of The President to extort a foreign country to interfere in an election for your own benefit ?

@Budwick I guess you missed the bit where he admitted it.

@RodionRomanovitch You have evidence of Trump saying he extorted Ukraine?

I would really like to see that!
So would Nancy!

You guys think if you say it enough, it will be true?

@Budwick" Mr. Trump has openly acknowledged raising the topic of Mr. Biden during a July 25 phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in which he urged the newly inaugurated government to crack down on corruption. While Mr. Trump denied applying pressure to investigate Mr. Biden, he said it would “have been O.K. if I did.”

Likewise, he said that he did not threaten during the call to cut off security aid if Ukraine failed to investigate Mr. Biden. But he also did not explain why he blocked the aid, and he quickly added that “we’re giving a lot of money away to Ukraine” and it was legitimate to want to ensure that an aid recipient was “going completely to be not corrupt.”
- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/us/politics/trump-ukraine-collusion.html

Of course this is after he initially denied evrything. What a difference a day makes.

@RodionRomanovitch So, your complaint is that he spoke to a world leader about a guy that was bribing his country.

And, you think that is wrong.

Is that correct?

@Budwick Please tell me all about how and why this guy was bribing his country.

I'm all ears.

@RodionRomanovitch

[quote]I'm all ears.[/quote]
Cold Hands - you're not ALL ears! You also have a big mouth!

So, have you seen this one?
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY]

@Budwick Sure have Bud. I'm assuming you also know then that Biden actually may have placed his son in legal danger by advocating for the prosecutor’s removal because he was widely accused of stymying anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine , and was supported in those efforts by the State Dept. , the European Union and the UN ?

@Budwick Getting Shokin fired was one of the major foreign policy reasons behind Biden’s visit. There was a unified front on that point, between us, our allies, Western NGOs, etc.

When it’s national policy, we call threatening to withhold aid some euphemism like “applying pressure” - not one guy trying to bribe a country.

@QuixoticSoul So Hunter's big payday was part of Obama's plan all along?

@Budwick You clearly know nothing at all about Shokin, Burisma, or Ukraine 🤷‍♂️

After all, Shokin himself was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of Burisma investigation, and many others. The guy Biden had fired, was the the same guy who buried this case.

@QuixoticSoul So no one was supposed to know about Hunter's big payday ?

@QuixoticSoul He does watch a lot of Fox News though and repeats its conspiracy theory bullshit ad nauseum so he should at least be commended for his fidelity.

@RodionRomanovitch Well, which is it?
Were we supposed to know about Hunter Biden's payoff or not?

@Budwick Well I don't know about it. Maybe you could enlighten me ?

@RodionRomanovitch I JUST posted a video for you!
Not 10 minutes ago!

@Budwick Tell me about Hunter Biden's 'big payday'.

@Budwick If you wanted to stall the Burisma investigation, keeping Shokin in place would have been the desired course of action.

@RodionRomanovitch Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was paid for his work as a board member a Ukrainian oligarch-owned energy company while his father was vice president, the New York Times confirms.

According to the Times, Hunter Biden was paid “as much as $50,000 per month in some months” as a board member of Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm owned by a member of the Ukrainian oligarchy.

Vice President Biden was heavily involved in mediating U.S. policy towards Ukraine. When a Ukrainian prosecutor launched a corruption investigation into the energy company Hunter Biden was board member of, Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to the country if the Ukrainian government did not fire the prosecutor. As John Solomon of The Hill reported, Biden’s threat would have thrown the former Soviet republic into insolvency at a time when Ukraine was fending off threats from Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

@QuixoticSoul [quote] If you wanted to stall the Burisma investigation, keeping Shokin in place would have been the desired course of action.[/quote]

I was never consulted.

@Budwick [quote]When a Ukrainian prosecutor launched a corruption investigation into the energy company Hunter Biden was board member of, Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to the country if the Ukrainian government did not fire the prosecutor. [/quote] See - this is the bullshit bit.

@Budwick So 'as much as' 50 grand a month is the 'big payoff' you keep talking about ?

@RodionRomanovitch I know, small potatoes for you, eh?

How about the billion of tax dollars given to Ukraine in return for the bribe?

@RodionRomanovitch It’s a decent chunk of change. And most likely, his last name was the only reason he was on the board. Standard MO for that part of the world.

But when you look at the whole picture, this little conspiracy theory just looks silly.

@QuixoticSoul [quote] this little conspiracy theory just looks silly.[/quote]

I know, right?
I mean, it's not like he made a phone call or something!

@Budwick Well it's odd that you would describe a salary as a payoff. I could be forgiven for thinking that you were actually talking about Giuliani's claim that he received a one-time payment of $3m. Was that not the case originally ?