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@Budwick Oh he's the most aggravating sob you could imagine ! "I believe this !......Oh wait a minute, now i believe that !" 🙄

@Picklebobble2 So, you are not a Brexit fan?

@Budwick i think it could be brilliant !
But i don't trust any of the current clowns in politics to pull it off.

@Picklebobble2 I'm sorry - I was asking for YOUR opinion of Brexit. Pro / Con

@Budwick The single thing that worries me is i don't think we have the political personnel to either influence policy within the E:U nor actively pursue a coherent set of adequate fiscal policies outside of it.

@Picklebobble2 Well, nobody can directly influence the policies outside their own country. So, in that sense, the UK would be no different than anyone else.

If you're saying that you don't have faith that your government can effectively run your country, then getting out of the EU I guess would be secondary to that.

@Budwick THIS is the country where a Prime Minister put his whole country's future at risk with ONE referendum !
This is the country that couldn't even get agreement from everyone in the government to pursue ONE withdrawal agreement !
What worries me is if we leave then those who take control are likely to be people with their own business agenda.
And when you have no money to play with, chances are your pension funds are likely to be looted.

@Picklebobble2 ALL the people voted in the referendum, right?
Or, at least had the opportunity.
You want another referendum to find out if the people really meant it?

Pension funds managed by government probably were not a good idea.

@Budwick 72% of registered voters voted.

The 'Remainers' argument is that the vote was so close 52% Leave. 48% Remain. A majority but hardly a mandate.
And given how both sides told huge lies during the run up to the referendum, somehow the result wasn't a fair one.

@Picklebobble2
What constitutes a mandate?
Was that discussed BEFORE the vote?
Or, is it sour grapes, after the fact?

@Budwick Oh don't be silly ! That's FAR too sensible an idea !
ALL of this is David Cameron's fault !
He spent years cutting services and benefits to his OWN people yet INSISTED on spending the same huge sums at the E:U.

Somebody made the suggestion that if he just cut the E:U budget he could sort the economy.
He refused to do so, battle lines were drawn, political agitators on behalf of the wealthy got involved.
Here's the subsequent mess.

@Picklebobble2 Starting to see that the back story is complicated - it's always complicated.

My two cents is that in the long term it would be best for every country to maintain it's sovereignty. I hope it works out well for the UK. For what it's worth - we're pulling for you guys!

@Budwick The big places to do trade with these days are the emerging markets in China; India and though i hate to say it, probably the Arab nations.

The E:U has a lot of 'undisclosed/hidden' debt. America is in a massive productivity slump and companies aren't investing in people. And this has been going on for nearly ten years !

We've had slumps and depressions and recessions before. But i've never known a time when ALL our politicians were so completely clueless as to what to do for the best.