He's good for humor...if you ignore all the dictator stuff.

@SW-User Yeah... The US president can't 'order' private enterprise to do anything.

@Graylight Argue about the wording all you'd like. He's absolutely right about China.

@SW-User we've already financially crippled businessmen and farmers in this country due to tariffs on China. That will only get worse with more of the same. It's economics 101.

@Graylight Good. Anyone who profits from outsourcing and stripping workers of their rights should be cut off at the fucking knees. I hate these people.

@SW-User China is the number 1 manufacturing nation in the world we can't even compete

@SW-User American consumers will suffer

@WeighedDown [quote]American consumers will suffer[/quote]
I really don't care if cheap walmart trinkets cost an extra 50 cents. Let them eat cake.

@SW-User what kinda phone you got?

@WeighedDown You act as if there's any choice in that matter. I would buy an American made phone if one existed. But they don't. And that's the problem.

@SW-User yeah the reasons they don't are because they would be incredibly expensive and we would still have to depend on other nations for some of the raw materials,

@WeighedDown Bullshit. It wouldn't be any more expensive to fabricate most of the ICs in the US. Intel, AMD, and IBM all make the majority of their chips in the US. I could stick server hardware in a PC case for the price of a high end smartphone.

@SW-User labor cost, add to the cost of the finished product anyway you slice it the price goes way up

@WeighedDown The VAST majority of labor costs associated with IC fabrication is R&D. All the R&D for these chips is done mainly in the US. So no, they still wouldn't be more expensive. Labor costs would be about the same.

@SW-User [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEmu3Dz--bM] it will not work we literally can't make them as cheap as China can

@SW-User That would be great....if it wouldn’t be horrible for everybody else, too.

@WeighedDown Yeah, no. I just proved you wrong by pointing out how all desktop/laptop processors are designed and built mostly in the US and they still remain cheap as fuck. These companies outsource because they like working people like slaves and not paying them benefits. The difference is fucking pennies.

@SmartKat As an American discussing American politics, I am under no obligation to offer any consideration for the wellbeing of foreigners.

@SW-User you did not prove anything but my point

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/smartbuyer/components/born-in-the-usa-computer-hardware-made-in-america/

[quote]We’re talking about major OEMs with US facilities for putting together computers on US soil. Granted, all are assembling computers in the U.S. using parts imported from Asia, Europe, or Latin America.
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@WeighedDown Your argument boils down to "boo hoo I have to pay 50 cents more! It's not fair that I can't sell out my nation for cheap consumer goods!"

@SW-User oh so now it's about the nature of my argument and not that your argument is extensively flawed and based on limited information

@WeighedDown You seem to value consumer goods over the wellbeing of your own nation, which is fucking disgusting.

@SW-User no I value the consumers of my nation which you apparently do not.

@SW-User I think Mulder is just being realistic.

In the U.S., wealthy corporations own the government. Business people never want to pay a fair wage if they can avoid it. Therefore, U.S. companies hire in third world countries where they can pay starvation wages.

Because the U.S. government is owned by the rich, this probably won’t change.

I agree with you that it sucks.

@WeighedDown No, not at all. Consumerism is a disease.

@SmartKat I think it's worth a try to change it. And that's why I yell at materialists on the internet.