Mentalicious · 61-69, M
I have only one true Internet friend, and he's in England. I'm in the states so I know very little of Brexit, so I can't judge.
But he wants out and I feel he wants what's best for his country because he's very patriotic and flies the flags on his property,
so I hope Brexit becomes a smooth transition for everyone involved
But he wants out and I feel he wants what's best for his country because he's very patriotic and flies the flags on his property,
so I hope Brexit becomes a smooth transition for everyone involved
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TheThinker · 56-60, M
@Brenda
Really? Plenty of them round here, I can see one from my window right now (or could, if it weren't dark!).
it's almost impossible not to be told to take the Cross of St George Down, if you fly it
Really? Plenty of them round here, I can see one from my window right now (or could, if it weren't dark!).
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4meAndyou · F
Very little. I know that the EU open border policy was very disturbing to about half of the British people, who then decided they no longer wanted their country flooded with immigrants taking their jobs.
Unfortunately, the Brits signed some sort of contract with the EU, and they are having a very sticky time trying to get out of it.
Theresa May failed abysmally to negotiate Brexit, and Boris Johnson is the Brexit choice in Parliament, and he isn't really making any headway either.
That's really all I know, (or think I know). I could be wrong about some of it.
Unfortunately, the Brits signed some sort of contract with the EU, and they are having a very sticky time trying to get out of it.
Theresa May failed abysmally to negotiate Brexit, and Boris Johnson is the Brexit choice in Parliament, and he isn't really making any headway either.
That's really all I know, (or think I know). I could be wrong about some of it.
TheThinker · 56-60, M
@4meAndyou
While undoubtedly there's some truth in this, it's more that the prospect of the EU's new upcoming Anti-Tax-Avoidance Directive was very disturbing to a handful of very rich people, who for decades have been enjoying the benefits of offshore tax havens (in the Channel Islands and the like), various tax avoidance schemes, and even money laundering.
The new EU laws would have put a stop to all that, hence the sudden desire to exit the EU as quickly and in as "hard" a fashion as possible (essentially to get us out from underneath the European Court of Justice).
Hence the extremely well-funded (to the point where some of it was subsequently deemed illegal) leafleting campaign; where dozens of anti-EU leaflets were stuffed through people's doors, many of them containing outright lies.
Not forgetting Boris Johnson's infamous slogan on the side of a bus that said if we left the EU we could give our beloved National Health Service £350m/week extra (also a lie and one they've more or less admitted since then). From what I gather this is what swung the vote for a lot of people... which when you think that the Leave vote was only 51.9% is pretty dubious.
(Hilariously Nigel Farage, a prominent figure on the Leave side, said before the vote that if it were only, say, 52% Remain then we'd have to have a second referendum. After Leave won by 51.9% he's been awfully quiet about that!)
Clearly quite a lot of people did have genuine concerns about being in the EU, some regarding immigration issues, others regarding things like sovereignty, but many others had little idea of what they were voting for and were just after £350m/week more for the NHS.
Apparently the most-Googled thing the day after the result was "What is the EU?"...
I know that the EU open border policy was very disturbing to about half of the British people, who then decided they no longer wanted their country flooded with immigrants taking their jobs.
While undoubtedly there's some truth in this, it's more that the prospect of the EU's new upcoming Anti-Tax-Avoidance Directive was very disturbing to a handful of very rich people, who for decades have been enjoying the benefits of offshore tax havens (in the Channel Islands and the like), various tax avoidance schemes, and even money laundering.
The new EU laws would have put a stop to all that, hence the sudden desire to exit the EU as quickly and in as "hard" a fashion as possible (essentially to get us out from underneath the European Court of Justice).
Hence the extremely well-funded (to the point where some of it was subsequently deemed illegal) leafleting campaign; where dozens of anti-EU leaflets were stuffed through people's doors, many of them containing outright lies.
Not forgetting Boris Johnson's infamous slogan on the side of a bus that said if we left the EU we could give our beloved National Health Service £350m/week extra (also a lie and one they've more or less admitted since then). From what I gather this is what swung the vote for a lot of people... which when you think that the Leave vote was only 51.9% is pretty dubious.
(Hilariously Nigel Farage, a prominent figure on the Leave side, said before the vote that if it were only, say, 52% Remain then we'd have to have a second referendum. After Leave won by 51.9% he's been awfully quiet about that!)
Clearly quite a lot of people did have genuine concerns about being in the EU, some regarding immigration issues, others regarding things like sovereignty, but many others had little idea of what they were voting for and were just after £350m/week more for the NHS.
Apparently the most-Googled thing the day after the result was "What is the EU?"...
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Oh Brexit ?
Brexit is where your governments leader tries to work a deal with his European overlords that would enable him to stay in power a while longer and treat the rest of you like the brainless;worthless pieces of ➖ he thinks you are.
Then, everybody who isn't your friend pretends they are in order to get your vote for what they want !
Brexit is where your governments leader tries to work a deal with his European overlords that would enable him to stay in power a while longer and treat the rest of you like the brainless;worthless pieces of ➖ he thinks you are.
Then, everybody who isn't your friend pretends they are in order to get your vote for what they want !
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Brenda · 61-69, F
@faeriemagic do politicians ever?
Nimbus · M
@faeriemagic Yay!
I was thinking that too.
I was thinking that too.
EugenieLaBorgia · F
Two years prior to the calls for a referendum for the U.K to continue or discontinue their relationship with the corrupt EU - initially rejected by Mr. Cameron - it had been decided to leave. The influence to leave was from outside parties with undisclosed interests'. Agreements were made outside the realm of public transparency which Mrs. May supported in a statement she publicly made in which these 'outside parties' heard the words 'a little, good housekeeping' which, at the time and to this date, escaped the attention of all but a few.
Nimbus · M
@EugenieLaBorgia I cannot disagree with that.
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Nimbus · M
@RippinKlouds Yep, whatever that is ;)
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TheThinker · 56-60, M
@MarmeeMarch The thing is, Brexit will do nothing to reduce the numbers of people from India and Pakistan (neither of which are in the European Union, yannow).
On the contrary, it's been said that it might even increase their numbers, as someone will have to fill the gaps left by all the Eastern European immigrants that are now going back to their original countries...
So the people who voted for Brexit because they don't like brown-skinned people and/or their culture(s) may well have just shot themselves massively in the foot.
On the contrary, it's been said that it might even increase their numbers, as someone will have to fill the gaps left by all the Eastern European immigrants that are now going back to their original countries...
So the people who voted for Brexit because they don't like brown-skinned people and/or their culture(s) may well have just shot themselves massively in the foot.
MarmeeMarch · M
@TheThinker
On the contrary, it's been said that it might even increase their numbers
I dont see how travel restriction and tightening on movement in and out of England will increase anything. The die is cast, now to fill the mold, it will happen. Brexit is another word for Make Britain Great Again.
TheThinker · 56-60, M
@MarmeeMarch It's a complicated issue, but my understanding is sure, it won't increase the overall numbers (and it may well tighten them), but what it will do is redistribute where they come from.
The British economy still needs immigrant workers to perform its low-paid jobs. With the ending of free movement between the UK and Europe, they'll have to come from somewhere else.
So say at the moment there are 100 immigrants a day, of which 90 are from Europe and 10 are from India & Pakistan, because it's so much easier to arrive from Europe.
Now, say, under the new rules the total number is cut in half but it's made equally difficult for people to come over from wherever they are - they all have to meet the same academic and financial criteria and so on. Then you might have 25 people a day from Europe and 25 from India & Pakistan.
End result: you now have 2.5 times as many brown-skinned people coming over after Brexit as you did before.
These figures are only example ones but I hope they illustrate the principle involved. Far from being "Nothing but a KEEP OUT sign for people from India and Pakistan", it could well end up being the opposite, as what it actually is is a KEEP OUT sign for people from Europe (regardless of their ability) thus opening the doors to better-qualified people from elsewhere in the world.
The British economy still needs immigrant workers to perform its low-paid jobs. With the ending of free movement between the UK and Europe, they'll have to come from somewhere else.
So say at the moment there are 100 immigrants a day, of which 90 are from Europe and 10 are from India & Pakistan, because it's so much easier to arrive from Europe.
Now, say, under the new rules the total number is cut in half but it's made equally difficult for people to come over from wherever they are - they all have to meet the same academic and financial criteria and so on. Then you might have 25 people a day from Europe and 25 from India & Pakistan.
End result: you now have 2.5 times as many brown-skinned people coming over after Brexit as you did before.
These figures are only example ones but I hope they illustrate the principle involved. Far from being "Nothing but a KEEP OUT sign for people from India and Pakistan", it could well end up being the opposite, as what it actually is is a KEEP OUT sign for people from Europe (regardless of their ability) thus opening the doors to better-qualified people from elsewhere in the world.
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Nimbus · M
@MrBrownstone And it was reciprocated, lol.
NeloAngelo · 26-30, M
pissed off. i know alot of people who voted against Scottish independence because "an independent Scotland wont be part of the EU" so we were better of staying.
now were being dragged out whether we like it or not.
nevertheless the longer it lasts the more unstable the country gets. this whole negotiating for a deal is bullshit and we've had 2 PM's just piss of because of it.
now were being dragged out whether we like it or not.
nevertheless the longer it lasts the more unstable the country gets. this whole negotiating for a deal is bullshit and we've had 2 PM's just piss of because of it.
Nimbus · M
@NeloAngelo Indeed, it may lead to the break up of the UK as we know it.
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