What is your opinion on the Second Amendment?

Do you believe citizens should not own fire arms?

Do you think the government shouldn’t decide how a citizen defends him or herself

Etc.

Discuss, be civil.

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

It's been written in a certain periode of time with a certain mindset. I'm not sure if the 2nd amendement would look the same if the same document was written in todays context.

I think it's been used in an overly dogmatic way by people that just really like to shoot their guns. I have no problem with people really liking to shoot their guns, I do have a problem with hypocrits that say it's all about protecting the nation while avoiding the problems guns have in that nation and then pointing towards the idea that they have to save themselves from a tyranical governement. It's the same hypocrisy of weed-smokers that say they support weed because of medical reasons, while they just want want to smoke weed.

For the people that support Trump and are heavily invested in the 2nd amendment conversation I would also like to add the following. People that talk about "true patriotism" and what "the founding fathers" would have wanted... and still support Donald Trump. How do you rationalise all the writings and the ideas of those same founding fathers on the fear for demagogues and poppulism? There is a reason why America has the electoral college and why the voting system is so complicated. It's because these early enlightenment-thinkers wanted to get away from "absolute power". They wanted to the poppulation to govern themselves (We the people). They also believed in rationality, but were verry weary that the overall poppulation wasn't "rational". I really don't get how you can support the 2nd ammendement on the argument of "patriotism", "the will of the founding fathers", ... and other U.S. sentiments. But vote for a demagogue, since that's exactly what the founding fathers were afraid of when they helped to create this system. I really don't get how all of this rhymes in conservative America today unless you are biased. 🤷‍♂️

MasterLee · 56-60, M

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It was written in the mindset of freedom from tyranny. Your political leanings are tyrannical at it's base wanting to restrict rights.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@MasterLee Are you going to make an argument that every restriction of rights of an individual is also automatically tyranical? I'm just wondering? Cause if you really believe that, then I think it's time you start ignoring those tyranical "STOP" signs next to the road.

MasterLee · 56-60, M

@Kwek00 are you always a drama queen?

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@MasterLee Is that your responds to my question?

MasterLee · 56-60, M

@Kwek00 no to your rant

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@MasterLee It's only a rant because you read it that way. You kinda give intonation to what I wrote yourself. I'm actually pretty calm when I write these things, I really don't get "triggered" by this. There are other things that make me shiver tough, but this is not one of them.

The last part of my post was a question towards people that support Trump AND the 2nd ammendement because of the entire patriotic idea of the founding fathers. It excludes annyone that votes for either party that doesnt directly support Trump and still likes the 2nd amendement.

MasterLee · 56-60, M

@Kwek00 oh ok so I am excluded. Carry on.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@MasterLee I don't know? I really don't know you 🤷‍♂️

If you don't qualify for the last part of the post, that doesn't exclude you from the first 2 paragraphs. Those were just my thoughts on the 2nd amendment. I recently been looking at some ideas written by Dr. John Lott, which kinda gave me food for tought. He's pro-second amendment but adresses other issues in America society. I also think that if you want to have a more informed idea on this issue, it's good to look at the academics studying it.

When you write something on a public fora, you ussually don't know who is going to react. I also don't see the drama in my post?

NativeOregonian · 51-55

@Kwek00 Are you an American or live in America?

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@NativeOregonian No, I'm from Belgium.

NativeOregonian · 51-55

@Kwek00 Then you have zero say on what happens within America and our domestic issues.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@NativeOregonian That's true... I also don't vote for your politicians either.

Does that mean I'm also restricted from having an opinion about the question asked?

NativeOregonian · 51-55

@Kwek00 Correct, you have zero say or opinion on our domestic issues here in the states.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@NativeOregonian I really disagree with the opinion part. Let's say you have some neighbours that get into heavy fights with eachother and they are living next to you. And you hear husband and wife going at it while the children are crying? Is it so bad to have an opinion on that? Even tough you don't belong to the household?

NativeOregonian · 51-55

@Kwek00 I really do not care what you think on this. You are not an American Citizen, you do not live in America, you do not pay taxes in America, work or vote in America, so therefore your opinion does not mean shit.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@NativeOregonian Okay, so my thinking should stop at my own border. That's good that I know, very nice of you. No worries tough, I still care what you think. I don't believe peoples thinking should be constrained to a territory. So feel free to tell me your opinions while closing mine down. And if you really don't care about my opinion, if it really doesnt intrest you one bit... then my advice is to stop reading them. I never forced you to read annything I say. 👬