"The Right To Choose...Unless You Don't Agree With Us!"

Planned Parenthood USA feels that the right to choose infanticide MUST include denying the rights of health care professionals (like myself btw) NOT choose to participate in abortions based on conscience or religious belief.

The right to choose for me, not for thee?

The American Civil Liberties Union has joined PP in its lawsuit against the Trump administration over its which guaranteeing the right to CHOOSE to those who do not wish to participate in infanticide.

Civil liberties in America for me, but not for thee?

If anyone is so dense as to continue to think the so-called "right to choice" is only about freedom to commit infanticide, think again. It is about the "right" to FORCE others to help enable it.

Planned Parenthood (what a joke for a title! You mean Planned NON-Parenthood) and the American Civil Liberties Union have taken a Fascist positon toward those who disagree with "a woman's right to choose" which I am sure the pro-infanticidists here will think is just fine, since they share the same Fascistic mentality.

And so...it is now another person's "human right" to make me perform an abortion, correct?

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

Infanticide?

So my wife and I tried for a kid for several years until we found out that because of a physical issue, she was miscarrying over and over again.

Are we mass murderers?

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@CountScrofula My God...did you both CHOOSE to have two miscarriages? If you did then the answer is yes.

That is really an amazingly stupid reply, suggesting your "story" is a lie because no one who WANTED children and suffered what you then did would have asked it.

How about answering the Question asked instead of dishonestly answering a question with a question of your own?

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@Abrienda My point is completely relevant. A death is a death. This is relevant to your post because I want you to rethink what you're attacking PLanned Parenthood over.

You are arguing that abortion is murder - to abort a fetus is the same as killing an adult.

Therefore the accidental death of a fetus must be the same as the accidental death of an adult.

How can a fetus be a full human during an abortion, but NOT be a full human during miscarriage?

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@CountScrofula "Death is death"? Wow...how long it take you to come up with that?

So....the death of a Jew gassed in Auschwitz or the murder of a Moslem woman in Bosnia by a Serb is THE SAME as the death of someone killed in a car by accidnet?

You are really a moral bankrupt...and incapable of even understanding this Question is NOT ACTUALLY about "abortion". it is about the denial of equal rights based solely on people holding certain religious and moral beliefs.

So would you force a Quaker to serve in the military? Or Jehovah's Witnesses' child to salute the American flag?

No?

But you ARE comfortable with people being forced to perform abortions against their moral beliefs but NOT comfortable with women being forced to come to term because of MY moral beliefs, yes?

Why don't you just admit your hypocrisy and move on? You have lost this one because you refuse to answer the actual Question ... because then you would be revealed as a Fascist.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@Abrienda I'm not talking about forcing someone to do anything.

Obviously a murder is worse than an accidental death and we treat them different legally for a reason. Manslaughter is still a crime though. Accidental death is a tragedy that should be avoided.

If someone died by accident every day in a factory, that factory would be shut down. If my wife and I trying for a baby results in miscarriages then why should we be allowed to?

We should be allowed to because miscarriages are not the deaths of babies and [i]neither are abortions.[/i]

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@CountScrofula I don't know if you realize this or not...this is not YOUR post!
If you want to make one dealing with YOUR Questions and issues, please do.

By somehow equating my objection to abortion to my by calling you mass murderers because your wife had two miscarriages (which if your wife really HAD had two miscarriages you would never have done) - a claim so bizarre and non-sequitur that it was stupid even for you and a disgusting attempt to use such a tragedy for your wife to score what you thought would be a brilliant debating point but wasn't - and then follow up with the deeply philosophical observation that "death is death" shows your unwillingness to admit you DO think the right to an ELECTIVE PROCEDURE is more important than my belief that it is murder and that I must be FORCED against my will to preform it.

So much for equal rights and protection under the law...THAT is the issue you refuse to deal with.

I would also hope your wife, if she read your exploiting her tragedy as you tried to do, would be ashamed of you.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@Abrienda Okay I'm going to give you a chance and come back to this argument and show you some respect.

I will explain myself once more. Also my wife 100% knows about this argument and has used it herself.

- If a fetus is a human life, that means a miscarriage is an accidental death.

- If accidentally kill someone because of high-risk behaviour that is manslaughter.

- If you have a high risk of miscarriage, but try for a baby anyways, that is behaviour which has a high risk of killing someone.

So why isn't that manslaughter?

Why is a fetus a human life when there's an abortion, but NOT a human life when there's a miscarriage?

LTKISS · 56-60, M

@CountScrofula I so disagree with you. God gives life with conception and he takes life away. As long as it is totally in Gods hands it is not murder nor manslaughter. Anytime a human gets rid of life it is murder. If God wants your conception to live it will be a beautiful human being born.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

@LTKISS Alright. What about when fertility clinics create five or six viable embryos to help get someone pregnant, and toss out all but one? Are those murder?

LTKISS · 56-60, M

@CountScrofula I sure would not want to be the one doing that. I would consider that murder. We as men are trying to play God. Let God does his own work. If he does not want you to have kids there is a reason. Read the Bible there are some women in there that were barren and then conceived. No fertility clinics messing with embryos and things.