Should poor kids get an automatic perfect score on their SATs?
They can't do well on their own so it's only fair.
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SW-User
@Graylight I don't think it's fair that disadvantaged kids get a lower "score" than kids whose parents are married. When kids study for the SAT, if their parents are married, it's so easy. Same if their zip code has higher property values. Just being in such a zip code makes hard work easy work. It's important these things are taken into account.
Poor kids aren't really capable of hard work in my experience, or if they do work hard, it just doesn't work out. My solution would make things right.
Poor kids aren't really capable of hard work in my experience, or if they do work hard, it just doesn't work out. My solution would make things right.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User I'm fairly sure you're intelligent enough to understand there are a host of factors involved in this. You cannot goad me - I'm generally on your side.
SW-User
@Graylight Sorry, hosted? I meant no hostility to you, personally, so apologizes for my dripping sarcasm. This kind of "equality of outcome" liberalism has never sat well with me. I'm fine with kids getting grants to take SAT prep, things like that, but actually changing the overall score is a real disincentive and frustrating when I've seen how hard my kid has worked. You should have seen the expression on her face -- "Why have I been busting my ass?"
A hard B for her is less than an easy B for a poor kid (yes, that happens, they can do well.)
I'm not wealthy BTW.
A hard B for her is less than an easy B for a poor kid (yes, that happens, they can do well.)
I'm not wealthy BTW.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@SW-User No hostility taken. As for the post, it's fixed. I hate mobile posting.
I have mixed feelings about the situation myself, but there's no question the SATs, IQ tests and other measures of intelligence like it are skewed toward white, middle-class people. The fact is, though, in the scheme of things SATs mean almost nothing beyond the six months of panic they induce in teenagers and parents.
I have mixed feelings about the situation myself, but there's no question the SATs, IQ tests and other measures of intelligence like it are skewed toward white, middle-class people. The fact is, though, in the scheme of things SATs mean almost nothing beyond the six months of panic they induce in teenagers and parents.
SW-User
@Graylight At some point, as a reasonable person, you will find absurd arguments you disagree with, (I assume you don't agree that knowledge is part of the patriarchy) but your assumption about intelligent tests is off.
Here is a real question from a real IQ test:
Which number should come next in the pattern?
37, 34, 31, 28
Please tell me how this favors white people with median incomes of $45,200 to $135,600?
Here is a real question from a real IQ test:
Which number should come next in the pattern?
37, 34, 31, 28
Please tell me how this favors white people with median incomes of $45,200 to $135,600?
Graylight · 51-55, F
For an overview of the problems inherent in IQ testing :
[i]https://theconversation.com/the-iq-test-wars-why-screening-for-intelligence-is-still-so-controversial-81428[/i]
Math is easy to argue. But another actual question - explain the meaning of 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush'- may not mean the same thing to people of different cultures, nor does the answer make sense in the same way.
[i]https://theconversation.com/the-iq-test-wars-why-screening-for-intelligence-is-still-so-controversial-81428[/i]
Math is easy to argue. But another actual question - explain the meaning of 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush'- may not mean the same thing to people of different cultures, nor does the answer make sense in the same way.
SW-User
@Graylight Math is easy to argue, but it's a significant portion of the IQ test!
(The College Board has removed language that would have a cultural bias, by the way, so back to IQ). You are conceding that IQ tests [i]themselves[/i] are not biased. Rather, you are saying individual questions may not measure intelligence accurately. I agree.
I doubt your example, 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush,' is known by many under 30. However, a series of questions about verbal acuity I would say is fair. How to measure that requires overlapping questions to measure aptitude.
(The College Board has removed language that would have a cultural bias, by the way, so back to IQ). You are conceding that IQ tests [i]themselves[/i] are not biased. Rather, you are saying individual questions may not measure intelligence accurately. I agree.
I doubt your example, 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush,' is known by many under 30. However, a series of questions about verbal acuity I would say is fair. How to measure that requires overlapping questions to measure aptitude.