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Don’t want all guns thrown out...Please see Red Flag Laws. These laws ignore the 2nd Amendment and suspend due process. @RedtheEmerald

[quote] "A red flag law is a gun violence prevention lawthat permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves"[/quote]

Do you really think that's a bad thing?

How about this. I drop a bogus tip of criminal activity to the police about you. They smash down your door at 3AM. Let’s say they screw up, shoot you dead. I guess you wouldn’t care about it then cuz you’d be dead right? https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/11/05/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-anne-arundel-county/
“It’s still [b]unclear who called in the tip[/b].”
Get it?

@DukeOfEarle "suspend due process" lmao. In order to get a gun taken away it has to go through a court and a judge has to make a decision based upon the evidence...then your gun is temporarily taken away until a hearing where the person can challenge the decision. That kinda sounds like due process to me. That's how our legal system works and has always worked. 🤷🏻‍♂️

As for your second ridiculous counterargument police don't just bust in like that without investigating the validity of the report. It's called probable cause, after investigating the report and finding credible evidence to support it then they act...your missing a step or two in your analogy to support your narrative and that is a fluke.

See above link. Have a nice day

@SW-User A process you have no part in is not due process. That has never been what due process is, and it never will be.

You've apparently never heard of SWATing.

@DukeOfEarle I did. Did you? They guy was clearly in the wrong. Like you.

I did. Anonymous tip and THE MAN IS DEAD AS A RESULT. Wow we’re a little thick

@SW-User Gotem

@Sicarium I see you don't understand what I just said, that's ok though. You do have a part in it, later at the hearing to get your gun back. That is the due process part. In a criminal trial you don't have a part at the preliminary hearing, that is the phase where the state is simply presenting evidence to the judge to why you should stand trial also called a probable cause hearing. You can't defend yourself or present evidence there, just like a red flag hearing. Are you telling me that is not due process? Because prelims are quite legal just like red flag hearing 🤷🏻‍♂️

@DukeOfEarle why did he wind up dead? Oh that's right he decided to fight the cops that were simply enforcing a judge's order. Maybe if he didn't do that he'd be alive? Guess his gun was worth dying for eh?

Gun are fuckin gay.

@SW-User You are seriously twisting due process to drive an ideological agenda. Due process that comes after-the-fact isn't due process. A hearing to get your property back after the government takes it away isn't due process. That's tyranny. Apply that standard to any other property and I suspect you'd be singing a different tune. You're just trying to justify gun confiscations by another name.

And no, preliminary hearings do not decide punitive actions. To equate a secretive tribunal that takes away your property to a preliminary hearing is dishonest, at best.

Finally, if you really want to pull the passive-aggressive douchebaggery, we can go there. I see you're afraid to address the issue of SWATing and how it makes your statement that there is always probable cause before a raid demonstrably false. What a surprise.

@Sicarium dude it's the way our justice system has worked since its founding, if you don't agree or don't like it that's not my problem I didn't make it that way.

@Sicarium do you even understand SWAT'ing?

@SW-User No, it's not. You are either misrepresenting our judicial system or you're completely ignorant. Those are the only options. Due process exists [b]specifically[/b] so the government can't take away your rights or property without you having a chance to defend yourself [b]beforehand[/b].

@SW-User Yes, I do. Do you even understand how to have an adult conversation?

Well thats a relief that you find Nazi Germany tactics to be completely acceptable in this country. So I am sure the gun owner then will have all legal fees reimbursed? How about time lost from work? I am sure the system will then pursue his accuser with the same fervor they used against him or her, right? How about the damages to his home from the police? You know, because they are so accountable in this “perfect system” that you are so in lock step with. It would also be my guess you have never been dragged into the myriad soup of the legal system. Yeah, first thing they do is rip off those rose tinted glasses you’re obviously wearing. Can you site me a case where a gun owner had his guns removed then returned to him or her and all legal expenses paid for? Or a case where the accuser was brought to justice for a false report? I’d like to read that. I’d like to see that.

@DukeOfEarle What legal expenses?

@DukeOfEarle This guy knows he's blowing smoke. You won't get an honest response.

Lawyers? Lol. Never been to court have we?@RedtheEmerald

@Sicarium uh huh, due process guarantees you a right to your day in court. You should challenge red flags laws and preliminary hearings in court then for us.
And I do know how I just don't see the point with someone ignorant like you.

I'm a law abidding citizen and government was a boring class in high school so I didn't pay all that much attention. All I know is that we should all find common ground and chill 👌

@SW-User Due process according to @SW-User: The government executes you and then gives you chance to present evidence on your behalf. And if you don't agree, you're the ignorant one. Seems legit.

Well hopefully you are never the victim of government gone awry. Two friends of mine who were completely innocent of 42 separate charges brought against them by the township they live in spent over $70K in legal fees defending themselves for FIVE YEARS before they finally got a day in court! They were finally found innocent of all charges. My point is that’s how the legal system is. You have to spend out the hole when you’ve [i]done nothing wrong[/i] just because someone has an axe to grind.