What do u think about Barr’s editing Mueller’s report?
Isn’t the truth going to come out eventually? I really don’t think Trump has a chance in winning the presidency if 75% of Americans oppose him do u?
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!. Editing, as Rudy actually suggested, I'd be very upset about, but it would probably get cleaned up when Mueller and Barr testified, resulting in Barr's disbarment and impeachment. Redaction, on the other hand, is different, and while I'm not thrilled with the idea, its a legitimate process and needs to be undertaken and maybe litigated before it should be released even to Congress.
2. Real "truth" is not really likely to come from Mueller's report, and the public is never going to see even all of the stuff that might be in there which might shed light on it. I think its important to realize that, while we don't know exactly what evidence Mueller's report considered and how he reached whatever conclusions he reached (Barr's gives us a few clues), its not likely, nor was it likely intended to reveal truth, or even make conclusions about what happened.
Mueller's report likely summarizes his investigation, in terms of what he was looking for and what he found (what the documents show and who said what)_, and his conclusions are likely to be something along the lines of, "based on everything I found supporting and refuting, I conclude that there is [in]sufficient evidence to conclude that x [conspiracy, coordination, obstruction] between A, B, and C, concerning D, E, and F, to satisfy the burden of proof [probable cause, beyond a reasonable doubt, etc].
There also might be, as is apparently the case with respect to obstruction, be a discussion of why the evidence was found to be insufficient, which could relate to the evidence itself, the applicable law, or the scope of Mueller's authority as to investigation or conclusions.
But, IMO, its almost inconceivable that Mueller would reach ultimate conclusions about any kind of "truth," based on his training, his assignment, and the function of his report, which was not to usurp the ultimate fact finding obligations of either a jury, or Congress, in the event of impeachment proceedings. If he were to go this far, I think it would seriously call into question the credibility of the report and his conclusions, making the whole thing a pretty useless waste of time.
3. If 75% of Americans vote in favor of one other candidate on election day, he'll lose, alright, notwithstanding the fact that he and some of his supporters might or might not accept it. But I don't know where that number comes from, how many people will vote, how many people will be on the ballot, etc.
2. Real "truth" is not really likely to come from Mueller's report, and the public is never going to see even all of the stuff that might be in there which might shed light on it. I think its important to realize that, while we don't know exactly what evidence Mueller's report considered and how he reached whatever conclusions he reached (Barr's gives us a few clues), its not likely, nor was it likely intended to reveal truth, or even make conclusions about what happened.
Mueller's report likely summarizes his investigation, in terms of what he was looking for and what he found (what the documents show and who said what)_, and his conclusions are likely to be something along the lines of, "based on everything I found supporting and refuting, I conclude that there is [in]sufficient evidence to conclude that x [conspiracy, coordination, obstruction] between A, B, and C, concerning D, E, and F, to satisfy the burden of proof [probable cause, beyond a reasonable doubt, etc].
There also might be, as is apparently the case with respect to obstruction, be a discussion of why the evidence was found to be insufficient, which could relate to the evidence itself, the applicable law, or the scope of Mueller's authority as to investigation or conclusions.
But, IMO, its almost inconceivable that Mueller would reach ultimate conclusions about any kind of "truth," based on his training, his assignment, and the function of his report, which was not to usurp the ultimate fact finding obligations of either a jury, or Congress, in the event of impeachment proceedings. If he were to go this far, I think it would seriously call into question the credibility of the report and his conclusions, making the whole thing a pretty useless waste of time.
3. If 75% of Americans vote in favor of one other candidate on election day, he'll lose, alright, notwithstanding the fact that he and some of his supporters might or might not accept it. But I don't know where that number comes from, how many people will vote, how many people will be on the ballot, etc.
@Shewolfiie69 I'm pretty sure what's in Mueller's report is a lot more than what Barr said was in it, and suspect that Barr's summary was intentionally drafted to present both Barr and Mueller's conclusions in a manner most favorable to Trump.
I really doubt that Barr misstated anything, although he obviously cherry picked language and conclusions to include in a 4 page summary.
As for we the people, we don't really know a whole lot at all yet besides what Barr felt like to telling us, and while I sure as hell would like to know more, I think that Trump and his lawyers, no matter what they may say, will try their best to keep any bad stuff in there from us for as long as possible, while Democrats will do the opposite.
Keep in mind, that ongoing investigations, sources and methods, and third party info are all separate considerations, as is how to fight about them in terms of reactions.
I really doubt that Barr misstated anything, although he obviously cherry picked language and conclusions to include in a 4 page summary.
As for we the people, we don't really know a whole lot at all yet besides what Barr felt like to telling us, and while I sure as hell would like to know more, I think that Trump and his lawyers, no matter what they may say, will try their best to keep any bad stuff in there from us for as long as possible, while Democrats will do the opposite.
Keep in mind, that ongoing investigations, sources and methods, and third party info are all separate considerations, as is how to fight about them in terms of reactions.