Anyone else getting the feeling the voted correctly in that 23rd June 2016 referendum?

@Burnley123 but would you do so when you realise what the EU actually is? It is kinda like the USA in some sense, it only serves to make the poor poorer.

@PikachuTrainer I know what the EU actually is, both good and bad.

Leaving at this time, in this way can only end in either a narrow defeat or a disaster.

@Burnley123 Leaving now is better than leaving in 20 years, the EU is collapsing, it is showing the signs. Germany is facing a recession due to falling industrial efficiency, if they go into recession it will affect the Euro in general, this will be a Dominos affect across the board.

@PikachuTrainer A recession would happen here anyway cos the economies are interconnected.

Lots of problems with the EU and Eurozone but Brexit is ridiculous and no same economic analysis supports it.

@Burnley123 Brexit is not ridiculous, and most reports I have seen suggests Britain would get a boom, specifically from a WTO exit.

@PikachuTrainer Even the ERG quoted economist thinks that we will take a major short term hit and also that manufacturing and farming will virtually disappear (his words). He thinks things will be better in the long run based on his prediction that the EU will drop all tariffs with us in few years and that the UK becoming a tax haven will work seemlessly.

What he admits to is bad and where he has optimism its a load of bollocks.

@Burnley123 sure we'll take a short term hit, I do not think it will be major however we have pulled through when our shipping was being sunk by U-Boats. And our manufacturing and farming is extremely unlikely to disappear, unless of course there was a serious, and I mean serious case of mismanagement.

@PikachuTrainer I'm going off the words of Patrick Minford who is the lead economist of hard Brexiteers. I'm telling you what he has said. Other economists present a less rosie picture.

@Burnley123 what he says would appear to be an extremely pessimist picture, Britain in the long run will do a lot better outside of the EU than inside.

@PikachuTrainer Well if the leading pro Brexit economist is a pessimist, then maybe Brexit is a bad idea?

@Burnley123 not at all, Brexit is the best possible idea, espiecally if we want our country to exist within the next 100 years.

@Burnley123 I don't know. I think alot of the doom relies on unprovable hypotheticals like those that claim the could have done better them Obama after the Great Recession. Or like the naysayers here in Canada who are convinced chaining ourselves to the US regardless of whether it makes sense is the way to salvation. Even though if you look at the numbers our economic growth was greater before so called free trade. Besides the EU is largely about artificially depressing the German currency. Why do you think Brussels is an outpost of Merkel's office.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm a critic of the Euro and the single currency has been great for German manufacturers because of their huge export market but bad for the south of Europe because their less efficient economies have to abide by the same rules but are only able to do so by debt accumulation. Hence why the 2008 crash brought a bg crisis. Britain is not in the Euro so this doesn't apply.

Yes, hypotheticals but then life is full of them and you can only make the best-educated predictions based on the information available. I've looked into this a lot and I can't see a story of how Brexit ends well.

@Burnley123 The Uk has survived centuries I doubt leaving a half baked attempt at a multinational state will be it's demise. I think plenty of the critics are using it as an easy excuse for England's own internal contradictions.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Britain had bigger problems and Brexit is a symptom in some ways of those.

Of course we'll survive but we will be in a worse position.

@Burnley123 I agree with the first part. The second is basically fortune telling based on assumptions.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Well yeah but we all make informed predictions based on what we know. Future predictions are imprecise but it doesn't mean its wrong. It's something you can't avoid.

@Burnley123 I think part of the problem is in the west we have forgotten how to innovate. Many of the predictions are based on keeping the existing economy unchanged which is totally illogical when making big changes.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Brexit isn't related to technological innovation. Economics is not an exact Science but most economists get most things right most of the time. Almost all economists think Brexit will be a disaster and those that *don't* say things that Brexit voters dismiss as pessimism.