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firefall · 61-69, M
Not in the least, as the report specifically says that this is no exoneration. I.e., Trump is lying again. As always
TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
@firefall True.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@firefall Investigations never, ever "exonerate" anyone. They ALWAYS come to one of two possible conclusions: (1) the facts support the likelihood that a crime was committed; or (2) the facts do not support the likelihood that a crime was committed.
Investigations and even criminal trials are never, ever about proving innocence.
Investigations and even criminal trials are never, ever about proving innocence.
firefall · 61-69, M
@Heartlander I repeat - the report specifically says that this is no exoneration -
your handwaving is just more lying bullshit. Fuck off.
your handwaving is just more lying bullshit. Fuck off.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Heartlander
I can't believe I have to point this out, but in the US, there is ....
Always a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
Why has that presumption suddenly vanished when the discussion leans left? Why are liberals so quick to abandon that fundamental feature of our legal system when applied to non-liberals?
I can't believe I have to point this out, but in the US, there is ....
Always a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
Why has that presumption suddenly vanished when the discussion leans left? Why are liberals so quick to abandon that fundamental feature of our legal system when applied to non-liberals?
@Heartlander SMH. Even if there was a presumption of guilt, Barr's summary should help rebut it.
But, since you brought it up, should the presumption of innocence even apply to a President who claims he's immune from prosecution where the DOJ says he can't be indicted while in office?
First off, I'm not 100% sure on that one, and I'm really not sure what relevance it should have to Congress, either when doing oversight, or potentially, for impeachment when the alleged high high crimes and misdemeanors may not be identical to the investigation.
But, since you brought it up, should the presumption of innocence even apply to a President who claims he's immune from prosecution where the DOJ says he can't be indicted while in office?
First off, I'm not 100% sure on that one, and I'm really not sure what relevance it should have to Congress, either when doing oversight, or potentially, for impeachment when the alleged high high crimes and misdemeanors may not be identical to the investigation.