Should the US pay African Americans reparations for slavery

@Teggy The Germans offered reparations to Poland in the 1950s

@Qwerty14 right... 1950's

where there were still people who were part of it all

@Teggy The US also promised reparations to the African Americans in the late 1800s, they just never followed through with it. The US has a history of promising reparations and never actually giving them. So you can see why they have a strong case to get paid now

@Qwerty14 It's a money scam.

@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays No a scam would be if slavery never existed, reparations were never promised and the entire thing was just a lie to get something. However all that did happen and so it's a genuine conversation the US is having

@Qwerty14 no they don't. The ones who were to be paid are dead and gone. No one deserves to be paid.

@Teggy So based on this logic you are fine with the idea that no one bothers paying for something as they can just avoid it long enough until either party dies and then it becomes a non issue?

@Qwerty14 Who would get this money? How much will it cost taxpayers? Are there slave owners now, or slaves? All this is trying to buy votes.

@GunSmoke9 If you read my OP you'd see who gets it. It wouldn't be an extra cost to the tax payer as there's already enough money in the budget. The US has a problem allocating its budget, not a problem taxing its people.

You claim this is to buy votes... The Dems already have the majority of African American voters. They don't need to play this card to win votes. If anything, it will hurt them because of the backlash.

@Qwerty14 Your post says not all will get it. So who will decide who gets it or how much will they get? Sure there is money in the budget, but it shouldn't be wasted on a scam like this. This will only divide the country even more. If the democrats really want to help blacks they should work with Trump to keep illegals out of the country. Why should blacks and everyone else have to compete with illegals for jobs and tax dollars? Or how about better schools, school choice?

@Qwerty14 once the affected persons die off the "promised" debt is redundant. Why have innocent populous of a nation pay for someone else's mistakes to people who didn't go through any sort of hard times? Makes no sense.

The real thing to take away from it all is the lessons in equality and to make sure such events like for example the Holocaust never happen again.

@GunSmoke9 They are already doing these things. This isn't a choice of one or the other. You can have both. Also please use the term African American. I get your nation is cool with race terms like blacks and whites but my country isn't, nor are most first word countries.

@Teggy You mean the Jewish holocaust of WWII? Or the many other holocausts that happen all the time? History repeats you see so saying "well we learnt our lesson" seems like wishful thinking to me. Instead you should show you mean it through action and cost.

[quote]once the affected persons die off the "promised" debt is redundant[/quote]

No, I think you'll find that a debt can still be claimed by the next of kin.

[quote]Why have innocent populous of a nation pay for someone else's mistakes[/quote]

Why have a nation pay for its mistake you mean? The US made the mistake and the US (all citizens) will pay. Even the African Americans ironically as they pay taxes too.

[quote]people who didn't go through any sort of hard times[/quote]

This is the saddest part of your comment. It makes me think you don't understand the race issues in the US. All African Americans have gone through hard times. They've been targeted by laws that stopped them every step of the way. The war on drugs kept them in prisons, Jim Crow laws kept them segregated, voter laws kept them out of Congress where they could start making a difference. Slavery is just one measurable factor I've used to calculate reparations but it isn't the only factor of hardship

@Qwerty14 your going to get mad unless I agree with you and your exact point of view aren't you?

Your enraged and crave conflict for some reason.

Who hurt you or oppressed you?

@Teggy I won't get mad. I'm pretty indifferent to this topic as I'm not American or a descendant of slaves.

You used a good diversion here. Maybe if this was my first ever discussion you'd have succeeded. Wanna get back on topic? Lol

@Qwerty14 lol no diversion I was literally ending the conversation between you and I. There is no reasoning with you over anything so there is no point in talking to you 😆

@Teggy You mean there's no way I will just accept your view as correct without a discussion so you don't wanna try. That I agree with lol you mention reasoning as if there is a right or wrong answer to this question. There isn't. There is just discussion

@Qwerty14 your proving my point

@Qwerty14 I see you didn't answer my question. If everyone won't get money, who will decide who gets what? This whole reparations thing makes no sense. Why should people who were never slave owners, pay people who were never slaves? Like I said this is a scam, a gimmick to win votes.
I don't believe in that PC crap. That's why I say blacks and not African American.

@GunSmoke9 The government used slave labour so the government is paying for it, as well as all the other laws they've used to hurt African Americans.

Who decides can be done through a simple council. That's arguably the easy part.

You don't believe in political correctness? It's not exactly something to believe. It's just a way of behaving that politicians are meant to uphold. Yes, Trump should be PC and his refusal to do so makes a mockery of your nation. At least that's how outsiders see it.

Saying "blacks" instead of "African Americans" doesn't say to me that you don't wanna be politically correct. It says to me that you still adhere to a racist system that is used to oppress your fellow Americans. Stop judging people by the colour of their skin.

@Qwerty14 A simple council? If reparation does ever pass it will be run by the feds. I don't want to give the federal government more power than they all ready have.
Show me where I am judging people by the color of their skin?

@GunSmoke9 [quote]I don't want to give the federal government more power than they already have[/quote]

That says it all really. We can just end this here tbh

@Qwerty14 Fine with me. Our government wasn't built on the idea of a central government controlling all the states. I hate big government.