Alan47 · 56-60, M
I don't think Americans are fundamentally different from other people, but many of us our brought up in a different environment. Our country is young and isolated, we don't really see much from here and so we don't know.
I for one would like to see some of the medieval fortifications in Europe. We don't really have such things here in the United States, having always existed in the age of the firearm and cannon. What fortresses we have built are quite different from the older ones.
I for one would like to see some of the medieval fortifications in Europe. We don't really have such things here in the United States, having always existed in the age of the firearm and cannon. What fortresses we have built are quite different from the older ones.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Thank you for the post. You are so right about both education and travel. We raised our children with the expectation that they would have at least one college degree, and that they would travel. When each one was in college, they were sent overseas on at least one trip to experience different culture and thought. All but one spent at least one semester living overseas. One served two years in the Peace Corps, where he met and married his wife. Now, it is interesting to listen to them when they are together, discussing what they like about Tibet, or Cambodia, or Dominica. They have more of a world perspective which serves them well in life.
We should be spending more on education than we are, to provide more opportunities for critical thought.
Recently, when Trump's Interior Secretary was making another anti-environmental decision, I asked a Trumper whether Trump had ever been to a National Park. In his lifetime. He couldn't name one time when Trump had done so. He doesn't even know what is in his own country, let alone the world.
We should be spending more on education than we are, to provide more opportunities for critical thought.
Recently, when Trump's Interior Secretary was making another anti-environmental decision, I asked a Trumper whether Trump had ever been to a National Park. In his lifetime. He couldn't name one time when Trump had done so. He doesn't even know what is in his own country, let alone the world.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@windinhishair touche dude 👍
Why read books when we "think" we are up to date on global goings on by watching 24 hour "news"? If you don't know them why change?
Why read books when we "think" we are up to date on global goings on by watching 24 hour "news"? If you don't know them why change?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Writer You are so right! When my oldest son graduated college, my youngest graduated high school. I sent them to the UK with sufficient funding to travel around once they were there. The itinerary was completely up to them. Did they make mistakes? Oh yes, they did, but they learned how to travel to Scotland and Wales and make do with what they had, meeting some very interesting people on the way that they talk about to this day.
Then they passed the knowledge and love of travel on to others. One of my youngest son's friends grew up and had never been more than 90 miles from home in his life. I got them direct flights from Newark to Shannon Airport, dropped them off in Newark and picked them up 10 days later. My son showed his friend the ropes, and now that friend is travelling internationally when he can afford it and learning more about the world each time.
Life is good. Life is short. You've got to make hay while the sun shines.
Then they passed the knowledge and love of travel on to others. One of my youngest son's friends grew up and had never been more than 90 miles from home in his life. I got them direct flights from Newark to Shannon Airport, dropped them off in Newark and picked them up 10 days later. My son showed his friend the ropes, and now that friend is travelling internationally when he can afford it and learning more about the world each time.
Life is good. Life is short. You've got to make hay while the sun shines.
Writer · 100+, F
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Cierzo · M
This is a complex topic. In my opinion the 'travelling and education make better people' is just partly true.
About travelling, it does not have any influence in the person if the sole purpose of travelling is just to have fun, shop,eat or brag on social forums. Only when the traveller shows real interest and curiosity in the way people life and their habits can help making a better person. To do it, there is no need to travel to the end of the world, sometimes going to a different neighbourhood is enough.
About education...I am a teacher, so I must have a certain faith in its ability to make better persons. Education should make people to make their highest according to their talents. However, we must never forget that nature has a lot to say (more than it is nowadays acknowledged, in my opinion) in the way these talents are shared.
Also, education should include teaching both knowledge and values. The former ones should be acquired at school, the latter ones at home. When school chooses to teach values too education turns into adoctrination, and makes good servants, not good people.
About travelling, it does not have any influence in the person if the sole purpose of travelling is just to have fun, shop,eat or brag on social forums. Only when the traveller shows real interest and curiosity in the way people life and their habits can help making a better person. To do it, there is no need to travel to the end of the world, sometimes going to a different neighbourhood is enough.
About education...I am a teacher, so I must have a certain faith in its ability to make better persons. Education should make people to make their highest according to their talents. However, we must never forget that nature has a lot to say (more than it is nowadays acknowledged, in my opinion) in the way these talents are shared.
Also, education should include teaching both knowledge and values. The former ones should be acquired at school, the latter ones at home. When school chooses to teach values too education turns into adoctrination, and makes good servants, not good people.
Cierzo · M
@Writer The situation you describe in you post is not happening only in the US. I see it happening in my European country too. There is no correlation between being rich or powerful and being educated.
And to be honest, it is a mistake woto think that correlation should exist, or at least be a strong one. That would mean leaving aside our personal traits.
I like to use this example. We are marathon runners. The time we can take to complete the race may vary within a certain range. Education, reading, travelling...may lead us to reach the best results within our personal range, but there will always be people who won't be able to take less than four hours, and some who will never be able to finish it.
And to be honest, it is a mistake woto think that correlation should exist, or at least be a strong one. That would mean leaving aside our personal traits.
I like to use this example. We are marathon runners. The time we can take to complete the race may vary within a certain range. Education, reading, travelling...may lead us to reach the best results within our personal range, but there will always be people who won't be able to take less than four hours, and some who will never be able to finish it.
Sadly, these things you mention are scorned by a good number of Americans who follow Trump.
They've decided that lack of empathy, ignorance of history, denial of science and refusing to collaborate or even to negotiate in good faith, are virtues and we're having a wee bit of a conflict over it.
They've decided that lack of empathy, ignorance of history, denial of science and refusing to collaborate or even to negotiate in good faith, are virtues and we're having a wee bit of a conflict over it.
@softspokenman Careful with that. It sounds pretty leftist to be taking talking about the greatest good for the greatest number.
Isn't what makes America Great the opportunity for some to achieve greater wealth and isn't rewarding greed a part of that?
Isn't what makes America Great the opportunity for some to achieve greater wealth and isn't rewarding greed a part of that?
softspokenman · M
Isn't it time that it stopped ? Nothing wrong with becoming wealthy but if it is from greed and deceit by a few than there is something wrong. Philanthropists aren't poor people. @MistyCee
@softspokenman I think it should be curbed or tempered at least.
One of the things that bothers me most about Making America Great again is that our country was built on things like smuggling, slavery, low wage immigrants and child labor, not to mention later socialist innovations like the New Deal and the GI Bill.
I'm not a huge fan of wealth redistribution, but to a degree, I think it has a role to play as do free markets, government monopolies, and public schools. I also think eventually, we're going to end up with a single payer healthcare system, especially, if we sabotage work around like Obamacare instead of improving them.
But, on a more modest level, I think we should decrease the focus on prosecuting poor and immigrant related criminals and increase prosecution of white collar crime and criminal organizations.
This editorial, I thought, was well put.
Opinion | Go Back to Normal After Trump? No Thanks - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/01/opinion/trump-michael-cohen-crime.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
One of the things that bothers me most about Making America Great again is that our country was built on things like smuggling, slavery, low wage immigrants and child labor, not to mention later socialist innovations like the New Deal and the GI Bill.
I'm not a huge fan of wealth redistribution, but to a degree, I think it has a role to play as do free markets, government monopolies, and public schools. I also think eventually, we're going to end up with a single payer healthcare system, especially, if we sabotage work around like Obamacare instead of improving them.
But, on a more modest level, I think we should decrease the focus on prosecuting poor and immigrant related criminals and increase prosecution of white collar crime and criminal organizations.
This editorial, I thought, was well put.
Opinion | Go Back to Normal After Trump? No Thanks - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/01/opinion/trump-michael-cohen-crime.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
SimplyTracie · 26-30, F
Writer,
I don’t think higher education makes you or anyone smarter or teaches you empathy. In a practical sense, it only teaches you a skill or gives you knowledge in a particular field.
I don’t have a college degree yet but I believe I’m caring and compassionate. I have excellent role models who have not entered a single college classroom. Look around you, talk to the guy who bags your groceries or the children who holds the door open for you. Ask them where their compassion comes from. Chances are it wasn’t taught by a college educated parent.
Where does your empathy come from?
If anyone lacked empathy at the time they enrolled in college, chances are they won’t have empathy when they graduate. Same goes with collaboration.
I don’t think higher education makes you or anyone smarter or teaches you empathy. In a practical sense, it only teaches you a skill or gives you knowledge in a particular field.
I don’t have a college degree yet but I believe I’m caring and compassionate. I have excellent role models who have not entered a single college classroom. Look around you, talk to the guy who bags your groceries or the children who holds the door open for you. Ask them where their compassion comes from. Chances are it wasn’t taught by a college educated parent.
Where does your empathy come from?
If anyone lacked empathy at the time they enrolled in college, chances are they won’t have empathy when they graduate. Same goes with collaboration.
Northwest · M
Education does not equate to "culture" or knowledge, or empathy. There are plenty of educated, and non-cultured people out there, in any country, not just the US.
I am not sure I associate social classes, in the US, with culture. But, I do agree, education should be free, both K-12 and college.
Exposure to other cultures, is also very important, but outside of major cities, there's not much of that, hence the sea of Red, covering just about everything, as you move inland. This is changing though.
You lived in the US for 8 years. Did you come here to get your college degree? What brought you to the US?
I am not sure I associate social classes, in the US, with culture. But, I do agree, education should be free, both K-12 and college.
Exposure to other cultures, is also very important, but outside of major cities, there's not much of that, hence the sea of Red, covering just about everything, as you move inland. This is changing though.
You lived in the US for 8 years. Did you come here to get your college degree? What brought you to the US?

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Good post.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@northwest. Won't let me reply, I'm presuming because the lady who made the comment blocked me for mild but evidenced criticism of obama.
I'm sorry dude but Obama had a mandate for.big change in the financial sector.......regulations etc and he could have got pretty much any proposals through.......what did he do?? Fill the jobs where that change would be directed with bankers......the exact same people who got us into this mess.....and guess what happened?? The public had to bail out the banks in one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the mega rich and literally fuxk all was done to reign in the illegal and predatory finance sector. Obama was a faux liberal and now we have to live with his legacy that has tarnished true progressives
I'm sorry dude but Obama had a mandate for.big change in the financial sector.......regulations etc and he could have got pretty much any proposals through.......what did he do?? Fill the jobs where that change would be directed with bankers......the exact same people who got us into this mess.....and guess what happened?? The public had to bail out the banks in one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the mega rich and literally fuxk all was done to reign in the illegal and predatory finance sector. Obama was a faux liberal and now we have to live with his legacy that has tarnished true progressives
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Northwest no they didnt......and the government didn't get profit back on their return at all.....there's so many economists and journalists who put it away better than me. Check out inside job or just look it up, plenty of videos too.......it was a transfer of wealth from poor to rich and Obama oversaw it.
Are you saying Obama is a genuine progressive? The point I'm making is that he represented corporations over people and if we don't agree what happened in the aftermath of the crash there's plenty of other instances during his tenure that shows that too
Are you saying Obama is a genuine progressive? The point I'm making is that he represented corporations over people and if we don't agree what happened in the aftermath of the crash there's plenty of other instances during his tenure that shows that too
Northwest · M
@gol979
You keep saying that. Why don't you post some links to support your claims.
Forbes disagrees with you:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanrolph/2018/07/15/heres-where-we-are-10-years-after-busts-bailouts-and-broken-dreams/#1a8413b57124
And CNN business:
https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/19/news/companies/government-bailouts-end/index.html
There's plenty more where this came from, including the WSJ, US World and News Report. And, of course I posted other links, the last time you made your claim. Your answer seems to be pretty much unchanged: 'no, this is not true, I know better'. Sorry, but you don't.
By all means, provide some links/sources. Happy to get educated on the subject. At the time, I followed it closely.
Funny thing here, is that I lived through it, and looked it up. Plenty. The onus is on you to provide proof of an alternate reality.
no they didnt
You keep saying that. Why don't you post some links to support your claims.
and the government didn't get profit back on their return at all
Forbes disagrees with you:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanrolph/2018/07/15/heres-where-we-are-10-years-after-busts-bailouts-and-broken-dreams/#1a8413b57124
And CNN business:
https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/19/news/companies/government-bailouts-end/index.html
There's plenty more where this came from, including the WSJ, US World and News Report. And, of course I posted other links, the last time you made your claim. Your answer seems to be pretty much unchanged: 'no, this is not true, I know better'. Sorry, but you don't.
there's so many economists and journalists who put it away better than me
By all means, provide some links/sources. Happy to get educated on the subject. At the time, I followed it closely.
Check out inside job or just look it up, plenty of videos too
Funny thing here, is that I lived through it, and looked it up. Plenty. The onus is on you to provide proof of an alternate reality.
bijouxbroussard · F
Unfortunately, you are correct. The U.S. has taken a decidedly anti-intellectual turn. Our previous president, who understood the power education has had to pull many people out of poverty, once suggested a college education be made available to all who wanted to take advantage. He was shouted down as “elitist”. 😳
bijouxbroussard · F
@gol979 He advocated making college more affordable so that those who wanted to go, could, without being stuck with crushing student loan debts.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard a bit of lip service then.....I don't mean to burst your bubble but he was an "elite" just a smoother criminal and he has the record to back it up
Northwest · M
@gol979 When President Obama took office, his #1 priority was getting us out of the economic near depression, and he had to pick one of two things: education or healthcare. He chose the latter.
Later on, he tried to push for free community college, for anyone who wants it. That led to the adoption, as part of the Democratic Party charter, free and full college education to anyone who wants it.
The GOP was either in full control, or disruptive control, of Congress, for the last 3/4 of President Obama's Presidency.
It was part of Hillary's platform, but the email server, and Benghazi, and Lewinsky.....
Later on, he tried to push for free community college, for anyone who wants it. That led to the adoption, as part of the Democratic Party charter, free and full college education to anyone who wants it.
The GOP was either in full control, or disruptive control, of Congress, for the last 3/4 of President Obama's Presidency.
It was part of Hillary's platform, but the email server, and Benghazi, and Lewinsky.....
FreeSpirit1 · F
We all strive to be like you. 🙄
FreeSpirit1 · F
@Writer Yes, please teach us how to be like you, we need guidance from a knowledgeable person from a superior culture.
Writer · 100+, F
Good for you... back to school you go.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@FreeSpirit1 I only see education being mentioned and verifiable facts about geo politics.......but you take this as an insult? How come?
Mysti · 51-55, F
So, how's the view from that massive high horse of yours?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
A Canadian tv show had Havard professors on camera signing a petition to end the Vancouver polar bear hunt. Think about that. This is supposed to be the best school in the country. It terrifies me that such a clueless nation is playing wotld police. It is like giving the keys to a jet to a toddler.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow We have given the nuclear codes to a toddler. May God forgive us for our sins.
Ewitsu · F
Well, don't you sound full of yourself