Is O’Rourke correct? Would El Paso residents vote in favor of tearing down the existing wall there?

Interesting. Do you reside in the area? @Deadcutie

@jackjjackson I reside in Texas

@Deadcutie El Paso was safe before the wall too. And Juarez wasn't.

@jackjjackson not in that shithole. El Paso is a scourge of a city anyways.. honestly most Texans would have no problems giving it back to Mexico

Based on what? I’m inclined to go with the TX resident on this one. @QuixoticSoul

That would give you more knowledge than the average bear 😀 @Deadcutie

@jackjjackson Based on reality?

https://www.kvia.com/crime/here-are-el-paso-s-murder-statistics-from-1960-to-2018/978417058

Btw, there were 23 murders in El Paso in '18. Average bear is a touch off.

@jackjjackson @QuixoticSoul
Of course no city is going to claim they are a unsafe city.. even Chicago will tell you they are statistically a safe city despite its high murder rate. Of course a liberal leaning news organization is going to air interviews of local residents that are inline with their agenda, the question is how many residents did they go through to get the ones they could air? One or two agreements doesn’t speak for the whole city..

And as for crime statistics, you can bend those to fit anyone’s agenda

Found anything that says the Dem mayor thinks the wall should be torn down? If not I have no interest in going down one of your many rabbit holes in this. Thanks for the input tho. @QuixoticSoul

@Deadcutie You're talking about murders, there is little to bend.

@QuixoticSoul sure there is, cities lie all the time.. so do news organizations apparently.. deaths can be underreported by jurisdiction. A city can leave off homicides that are investigated by county sheriffs or other jurisdiction forces(fbi) they can also not report undetermined though suspected homicides.
They can also leave out homicides committed in El Paso but dumped in another location,

They are not required to give out all instances of homicide. So basicaly you are left to trust the numbers they decide to give you.

And it’s just not murders, what’s the overall crime? What’s the assault and attempted murder statistics..

Another thing pointed out in the article comments, the actual wall was built in the mid 90s before the cartel wars, where Juarez also had a relatively low crime. a higher extension was built in 2008. That wall prevented a lot of murders spilling over from Juarez in the ongoing drug war.

@QuixoticSoul this average bear said thinks.. that’s what I thought they said. I made no claims I was factually correct. So you are the one that’s off.. I got the numbers just missed the years reported..
So kiss off with your sarcastic overtones with me.. no one cares what you think about it

@Deadcutie "20 murders in 8 years" is a massive difference from reality.

Going by the numbers, the murder rate in Juarez is not really related to the murders in El Paso. The last pre-wall years were during a massively deadly drug war where they eventually hit something like three thousand murders a year. The post-wall years were a period of relative calm, going down to ~300ish in '15. El Paso's murder rates remained more or less the same throughout. Now Juarez is heating up again - and El Paso is still static.

@QuixoticSoul I said think asshole, the news was going on in the background while I was doing something and I must misheard it..

@Deadcutie Touchy touchy.

@QuixoticSoul maybe because there was a wall dumbshit .. duh..
The wall was built in 94-95, the wall was extended higher in 2008

@Deadcutie Or maybe because the wall doesn't do shit in this situation. Cartels are fighting in Juarez over the smuggling route. Which the wall doesn't deter one bit. There is little reason for them to be fighting in El Paso. There is little reason for them to even [i]stop[/i] in El Paso.

@QuixoticSoul or maybe your ignorance wants to think the wall doesn’t do shit..
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@Deadcutie If the wall did anything in this context, there wouldn't even be a reason for cartels to battle over Juarez.

@QuixoticSoul sure there is, but it doesn’t conform to your views so you willfully ignore it out of ignorance. You don’t live there, so what do you care mentality..

@Deadcutie Nah, they’d switch their route and battle over some other access point with no wall. The wall isn’t all that important here because the overwhelming amount of smuggling goes on through official crossings - they drive that shit in through customs. For Cartel operations, very little has changed with the wall’s contruction. Which is why they fought their war to conclusion through the wall’s construction and after.

Insulting me isn’t going to make your position any more sensible.

@QuixoticSoul no one cares

@Deadcutie k