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Is it possible to have a second referendum on Brexit?

Personally, I don't think it is. Much to the disappointment of Remainers, there has been little shift in public opinion over the last two years. An average of polls shows a very small percentage shift to remain but well within the margin of error and nothing like the decisive shift that would be needed to mandate a second referendum.

In addition, there has been a hardening of attitudes among leave voters, with a majority of them saying they want a hard Brexit or a no deal Brexit. A no deal would be a disaster for everyone but if 98% of climate scientists can't convince partisan opposition of facts they don't want to believe, then a consensus of economists will have no such luck here.

When remainers see an incompetent government in meltdown over a bad idea that was impossible to deliver, leavers see an incompetent government in meltdown because it has sold out on achievable promises. That Britain is a second tier world power in a weak negotiating position is not what people want to hear.

In addition, the 'People's Vote' campaign has failed to connect with anyone outside its metropolitan liberal base. Worse than this, it has divided its base by alienating Corbyn supporters like myself on the Labour left. So much time and energy has been spent on blaming Corbyn for Brexit and in plotting a new breakaway party that left remainers have suspicion of the PV campaigners which borders on hostility. The remain camp is divided along the lines of the Labour Party Civil war two years ago.

Most Labour voters backed remain, especially in the cities but in small regional towns the picture is mixed and most Labour MPs are actually against a people's vote. Corbyn is not prepared to fight for the Brexit issue because its not his top priority and also because its not a battle he can win.

There are no good or easy options in this complex and messy situation. I still think that some kind of compromise soft Brexit is the most likely outcome but that will please nobody. The shit show must go on.
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I don't think it is going to happen, but that shouldn't be because of the leavers constant claims of a democratic will to leave. There quite clearly isnt a clear consensus for anything. Not much more than a third of people voted to leave, and that is before there is any consideration of what people thought they were voting for. I accept that this was more than voted to remain but a simple majority should never have been enough to decide this. I think if there is no clear consensus to change then we should carry on as we are. Even Farage said before the referendum that there would be a strong case for a second referendum in tbe case of a 52-48 vote to remain. I don't think we should be afraid to admit the referendum was a complete fuck up and try again. There would need to be a much clearer question though.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User I agree with you in sentiment all the way, I just doubt that it's politically possible with where public opinion is.
SW-User
@Burnley123 The only realistic alternative is a hard Brexit, unless May miraculously gets support for some variant of her deal.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User I dunno. Am election is possible then Labour could have a ref on that deal or MPs could sideline May.
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@Burnley123 I think an election is worse than a referendum to be honest, and it's not going to happen before the end of March. I don't have any faith in Corbyn negotiating a better deal. I think he is possibly as guilty of playing party politics as Cameron was.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User It was reported by Stephen Bush that Tory MPs have been told to expect an election on Feb 28th. Obviously, it hasn't happened and it might not.

I don't think Corbyn can negotiate a *good* deal (nothing with more benefits than remaining) but he'd have less red lines than May. I do think he is promising more than he can deliver and I hate saying that but it's true.
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@Burnley123 Im not sure of the times required but I would have thought it was too late already for an electon on 28th Feb. I may be old and cynical but my best take on the respective strategies is:

May - Delay and fudge as late as possible and get a last minute panic acceptance of her deal.

Corbyn - Make a lot of noise about avoiding a hard Brexit, while hoping for just that and picking up the pieces afterwards.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Yeah the time has passed for the 28th and that is why I posted about it in the past tense. I mentioned that as a pointer that the Govt might be considering it for another day.

I don't think Corbyn wants a hard Brexit. I think he prioritises other things and wishes it wasn't happening. He'd want a straight clean ideological fight like the 2017 election but he could not avoid Brexit next time.

I'm not pleased with his strategy and to be clear, it's not completely honest but I'm also not sure he could have another strategy which wouldn't lead to a collapse in the Labour vote. I don't think he can stop Brexit.