What would be a reasonable compromise on this wall issue ?

@JoeyFoxx [quote]Fascinating how most of the comments below are about how compromise isn't even worth considering[/quote]

It's the climate they wanted (see Tea Party behavior and the GOP's role as the Party of No during the last administration) and I am more than happy to let them have it.

@JoeyFoxx Do you not know about the heaps of garbage, the rape trees, the murders, the exploitation,
human trafficking, (including children) and drugs? Do you not know about the fact that many of the people being apprehended now are from all over the world? The grandstanding is the stupid, soulless, and thoughtless democrats who are only opposing this because it's Trump that is trying to do it.

@JoeyFoxx [quote]Fascinating how most of the comments below are about how compromise isn't even worth considering.[/quote]

It's almost as if this is an issue about fundamental values rather than methodology.

@OggggO [quote]It's almost as if this is an issue about fundamental values rather than methodology.[/quote]

It is quite literally the opposite of that. Trump is amoral, at best. The sad sacks who support him are either gullible or dishonest.

It's funny. There are stickers in someone's office near me at work about the Obama campaign and "change we can believe in"

Obama changed nothing. Literally, nothing changed in DC while he was President. Trump and his MAGA campaign are exactly the same.

No one in charge of this process is leveraging fundamental values.

Not one of them.

@JoeyFoxx [quote] The sad sacks who support him are either gullible or dishonest.[/quote]

I'm neither. Trump has done a fantastic job. Over 290 positive changes , and what he is trying to do is great. The democrats have nothing at all except an irrational determination to make everything as difficult for him as possible out of nothing but petty vindictiveness. The democrats have caused this shut down because they are denying something that is necessary out of pure spite. That's all the democrats have. Spite. Nasty little spoiled children with absolutely no agenda other than vengeance through endless wastes of time and money, and all the stupid little drones are more than happy to suffer because of the stupidity and scumbaggery of Pelosi and Schumer

@puck61 Here's the thing... he's done a number of decent things. The 290 number is dubious because the results of things he's done need to be tested over time.

But the WAY he's going about much of it is wrong. Mitt Romney's editorial hit it on the head.

And, you can't credibly call Pelosi and Schumer scumbags (I agree with this assessment), without also calling McConnell and Graham bottom-feeders at the same time. There's plenty of douchery to spread around.

It's not that one party is worse than the other. They are BOTH terrible.

No one can credibly insult one party without also insulting the other.

Otherwise, it's just banner waving.

@JoeyFoxx [quote]It's not that one party is worse than the other[/quote]

That's demonstrably untrue. Only one party wants to have an amendment outlawing same-sex marriages. Only one party stokes the flames of religious intolerance against the LGBT community. Only one party routinely touts trickle-down economics as a viable economic theory. Only one party had to be told to knock it off with voter suppression of minorities, and guess what? They're ready for their sanctions to be lifted so they can get right back in business.

@JoeyFoxx You seem to have misunderstood. The issue isn’t about leveraging values, it’s that such a wall is against the fundamental values of myself and likeminded people. I realize Trump has no values beyond his personal benefit, but that is not the only aspect of the equation.

@puck61 Pretty much everything you just said is incorrect at best and deliberately false at worse.

@OggggO It's completely true.

If you think that all Republicans think this way, you are mistaken.

If you think that no Democrats are bigots, you are also mistaken. Lest we forget Al Franken’s behavior.

You may have some points, but if the only party you vote for is Democrat, then you are part of the problem. Your representatives feel no obligation to you to do the right thing because you are voting against the other guy.

@daisymay

@puck61 [quote]Trump has done a fantastic job. Over 290 positive changes , and what he is trying to do is great.[/quote]
Wrong.

[quote]The democrats have nothing at all except an irrational determination to make everything as difficult for him as possible out of nothing but petty vindictiveness.[/quote]
What we have is compassion for minorities and the maltreated.

[quote]The democrats have caused this shut down[/quote]
Trump caused it. Bipartisan bills have been put in front of him and he has refused to sign them.

[quote]they are denying something that is necessary[/quote]
The wall is unnecessary and would in fact be harmful.

[quote]out of pure spite.[/quote]
It's not spite. We refuse to enable Trump's xenophobia and scapegoating.

[quote] That's all the democrats have. Spite. Nasty little spoiled children with absolutely no agenda other than vengeance[/quote]
No, that was the GOP throughout Obama's tenure.

[quote]all the stupid little drones are more than happy to suffer[/quote]
We're trying to alleviate suffering.

[quote]because of the stupidity and scumbaggery of Pelosi and Schumer[/quote]
Once again, Trump is the stupid scumbag.

@JoeyFoxx [quote]but if the only party you vote for is Democrat, then you are part of the problem[/quote]

No other party has produced a candidate that isn't a horrible person and also has a reasonable chance of winning in recent years. Get rid of the GOP, let the Dems take their place as the center-right party of this country, and I would happily vote for actual leftist candidates.

Whereas the Democrats produced a candidate that LOST to him.

Sorry. You’re gonna have to admit defeat to maintain any shred of credibility on this.

@OggggO

@JoeyFoxx Remind me who won the popular vote, and who is under investigation for collusion with a foreign power to interfere with the election.

Trump didn’t make the electoral college rules. Popular vote aside, any party that cannot produce a candidate to decisively defeat a candidate like Trump is an abomination on its face.

The Dems stole the election from themselves by stealing it from Bernie.

The current version of the Democratic Party is withering under the weight of its own arrogance.

@OggggO

@JoeyFoxx [quote]The Dems stole the election from themselves by stealing it from Bernie.[/quote]

Oh! I didn't realize we were dealing with a moron, my bad.

@daisymay How very polite of you.

Fact: Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic primary and Trump has no chance at winning. The DNC put a great deal of effort into bolstering Hillary and undermining Bernie.

Would Bernie be perfect? Hell no. But it's hard to imagine that he would be worse than Trump.

@JoeyFoxx [quote]Fact: Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic primary and Trump has no chance at winning.[/quote]

That isn't a fact. That's definitely an opinion.

@JoeyFoxx
Man, you nailed it! A pox on BOTH their houses!

@JoeyFoxx
“Would Bernie be perfect? Hell no. But it's hard to imagine that he would be worse than Trump.”
My cactus would be better than 45 ... and my cactus is dead.
Just sayin’

@Strictsinger How you can say that in light of the excellent work Trump has done is beyond my comprehension, but all of the TDS victims stretch my credulity to its limits and beyond. You guys just have to be a bad dream. People cannot be this blind and stupid.

@puck61
In honor of the request by the OP that we keep from ad hominem attacks, I’ll let your TDS line pass.
Clearly we disagree about just how excellent 45’s “works” have been ... I see a double dozen policy decisions that are incredibly harmful to the country. You don’t see any of that at all, apparently. Blind and stupid works both ways.

@Strictsinger Trump has done over 290 very good things to make this country and the world better than it was.