What would be a reasonable compromise on this wall issue ?

@Pherick Walls work. That's democrat propaganda to say otherwise. You see the one in Israel? Works quite well actually.

@SumKindaMunster Is the wall in Isreal 2000 miles long? Does it pass through private property, rivers, etc?

Walls don't work in cases like our border. Also how many terrorists last year were apprehended at the southern border? DoJ says .... 0. How many were caught at airports? 4000.

So why do we need a wall there again?

@Pherick Why are you asking questions you already know the answer to?

Who was talking about terrorists strawman? Other than you?

We need to wall to secure the border. If it can't be built is some places then other options are on the table.

@SumKindaMunster its actually a reasonable concern.. if they start building the wall it will take a decade with all the legal problems that will come up... also as soon as there is a democrat president they will tear it down

@NoSugar Nah, Pherick is a notorious democrat ball licker. He thinks the problem is with Republicans and not all of Congress.

@SumKindaMunster i think its with people making politics about winning and loosing and not about getting things done that can be done and skipping those that cant be done

@SumKindaMunster Awww its so sweet when you can't come up with a coherent reply and have to skip right to insults :) Whose using the logical fallacies now?

The terrorist item though is not, of course, a strawman. If you are wanting to build a wall to secure the border, then wouldn't the supposed people coming through the border be a concern? Especially if they are NOT really coming through that border?

Why are you asking questions that you don't like the answers to?

@Pherick My reply was perfectly coherent, why are you such a liar?

Walls work, period. You keep trying to change the subject because you think you found an angle that will destroy the whole argument.

Nobody believes the wall will stop everyone getting into the country, only nitwits who need to deal in absolutes think that.

@SumKindaMunster The level of childish attacks in your replies, belies your ability to have coherent conversations.

HUGE long walls do not work. Ask China how it worked against Genghis Khan. You can't monitor and patrol a 2000 mile long wall, its not practical or feasible. People will go under it or over it when you don't have anyone nearby.

I am not changing the subject at all. You want a wall for border security. I asked how a wall would stop people who are NOT COMING THROUGH THE AREA THE WALL WILL PROTECT. How hard is it to see thats a very logical point to bring up?

Of course, no one believes that, thats why most of us would rather fix problems regarding immigration and invest in things that actually might help monitor the border.

THE WALL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE NOT COMING THROUGH THE WALL! IT DOESN'T STOP EVERYBODY!

It's a ridiculous argument to say that a wall will not prevent people from coming in through other means.

@SumKindaMunster So the wall won't stop everyone, which you admit, and it hasn't been the site of any of last year or so terrorist arrests, yet you still want to waste 20billion on it?

How does that work? Why would we want to spend 20billion on a wall that doesn't work, when we could spend much less on technology and manpower that do work and fix our immigration system?

@Pherick

[quote]Why would we want to spend 20billion on a wall that doesn't work,[/quote]

That's completely the opposite of what I said. Walls do work, and your arguments are strawman arguments. You keep trying to change the terms of whether or not walls work.

Also, last I heard Trump wanted 5.7 billion for the wall, not 20.

@SumKindaMunster *yawn* Let me know when you actually want to talk about what I said instead of making up things.

I have provided you reasoning why a long wall would not work, all you have said is "Walls work" with no reasoning behind it. Especially considering this very simple fact that seems to escape you, that we aren't stopping anyone at that border with evil intent, wall or no wall. So why would we waste the money?

Trump has been offered 5 billion for updating fencing and rebuilding current structures as well as some technology updates, he wants 20 billion for the full wall.

[quote]all you have said is "Walls work" with no reasoning behind it.[/quote]

Why would I need to provide evidence that walls work? It's self evident. Why do you need someone to tell you what is simple and obvious logic?

[quote]Especially considering this very simple fact that seems to escape you, that we aren't stopping anyone at that border with evil intent, wall or no wall.[/quote]

Disagree. I never said that strawman.

[quote]Trump has been offered 5 billion for updating fencing and rebuilding current structures as well as some technology updates, he wants 20 billion for the full wall.
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Nonsense, he wants 5.7 billion. We are talking about now, not the past.

@SumKindaMunster OK, this is the last time, I am done playing your childish games.

[quote]Why would I need to provide evidence that walls work? It's self-evident. Why do you need someone to tell you what is simple and obvious logic?[/quote]

Because its not evident to ANY with common sense. Walls throughout history have failed, even small ones, so why would any think a 2000 mile long one would work. Then the 2nd part of that you seem to be unable to comprehend is that no one we want to stop even uses the southern border to come into the country, all the bad guys try to fly in. So why build a wall to stop bad guys when bad guys aren't coming that way?

[quote]Disagree. I never said that strawman.[/quote]

I never claimed you said it, I claimed its what the DoJ facts bear out. Its not a strawman, its a fact.

[quote]onsense, he wants 5.7 billion. We are talking about now, not the past.[/quote]

Nonsense. He wants a 20billion dollar wall and he wanted Mexico to pay for it, he guaranteed those things, many many times over. I prefer to hold people accountable for what they say.

As I said, I am done now, no point in arguing with someone who won't take in new facts or use logic when it comes to ideas. Take care.

@Pherick [quote]Walls throughout history have failed, even small ones, so why would any think a 2000 mile long one would work. [/quote]

No, they haven't. Just because some have been breached over time does not mean they failed. Again, I never claimed a wall would stop everyone. That doesn't mean it is a failure.

[quote]I never claimed you said it, I claimed its what the DoJ facts bear out. Its not a strawman, its a fact.[/quote]

It's perhaps a fact that has nothing to do with the subject of the argument. Which is whether or not walls work. You are trying to make the argument about something it is not, hence it is a strawman argument.

[quote]Nonsense. He wants a 20billion dollar wall and he wanted Mexico to pay for it, he guaranteed those things, many many times over. I prefer to hold people accountable for what they say.[/quote]

Well again, we are talking about what is happening now and what Trump wants now. Not what he said before. I think its adorable you think politicians should honor everything they say. Let me know when you are done playing in the land of make believe.

[quote]As I said, I am done now, no point in arguing with someone who won't take in new facts or use logic when it comes to ideas. Take care.[/quote]

Oh no! Gosh how will I ever sleep tonight? Pherick is pouting!