What would be a reasonable compromise on this wall issue ?

@Sicarium ok... so wall but the DACA gets completely reinstated... thats good.. thats a step in the right direction

@NoSugar You misunderstood. Democrats had that chance, as in the past. By refusing it, they showed they would never compromise. So no compromise is possible. They were even willing to throw DACA away, one of their golden geese.

@Sicarium nonsense there always is a compromise... the only alternative is the usa in shutdown for the next 2 years

@NoSugar Nope, the other option is to fund the wall.

@Sicarium i dont think you understand the concept of a compromise

@NoSugar Of course I do. Compromise, however, is a two-way street. Democrats proved unwilling and we've played this game before. It's always the same result. No more.

@Sicarium lets try somethign else... what political agenda would you be willing to give up if you get the wall... like healthcare for everyone ? banning of all guns `?

or otherwise what would you want if you dont get the wall... like ban all abortions maybe ?

@NoSugar Healthcare for all would cost around $30 trillion in it's current form. Why I would compromise the nation into economic destitution?

The right to bear arms is a civil right. Why would I a compromise civil rights?

Abortion is an entirely separate issue and completely irrelevant to a border wall. It's also important enough that it needs to be decided on it's own, not thrown away on some piece-meal attempt at compromise.

The Democrats promised Reagan a wall as part of a compromise. It never happened. Money was appropriated in 1997 under Clinton for a border wall as part of a compromise. Most of it was never spent. And you can find videos of of Hillary, Obama, Schumer, and others all calling for tougher stances on illegal immigration and/or an actual border wall. Like I said, we've played this game before. No more.

@Sicarium so you propose the wall or collapse as only options ?`not willing to give the other side anything at all ?

@NoSugar Build the wall, no more games.

Let me ask you, why would I even want to give the other side anything when that side has lied on past compromises, is opposing the wall merely for political reasons, was willing to throw away DACA, and continuously calls anyone who supports the wall a xenophobic racist?

There's a price for partisan moralizing. This is the price.

@Sicarium honestly you dont sound like you care about the actual problem... you sound like this is about winning and the other side loosing. thats an attitude that cannot be tolerated

@NoSugar We're talking about the compromise, not the need for the wall itself.

@Sicarium well you made it clear that you dont want any compromise

@NoSugar It's not that I don't want one, I just don't think the Democrats will follow through in good faith. And I've given you several reasons why I think that.

@Sicarium you told me why you dont trust the democrats... which is a reasobale attitude... but its foolish if you think trump or the republicans are any more trustworthy

@NoSugar I disagree, at least on Trump. He's been fulfilling campaign promises at a higher clip than most Presidents. The wall is one of those promises. You can't tell me not to trust Trump when the only reason we're having this conversation is his attempt, at almost any cost, to fulfill a promise.

@Sicarium
I’m sorry - he’s been lying like a rug every single day of his presidency. He’s utterly untrustworthy. He said he’s be happy to accept responsibility for the shutdown. (Lied.) You know, the wall that Mexico is going to pay for. (Lied.)
To say nothing of the fact that he’s the least qualified person to ever hold the office - we needed someone to steer the ship of state and we got the cook from the Red October.
And it’s his attempt “AT ALL COSTS” to fulfill the promise to his base ... which is to say, he doesn’t care if the government shuts down, he only cares that he gets his wall. I’d suggest priorities are skewed, to say the least.

But then, you and I are clearly never going to agree on the present inhabitant of the White House, so you can toss a round of “Ya buts” my way about why he’s the best thing since sliced bread and I’ll give you the last word on it. I’m more interested in finding solutions than pointing fingers, in the long run. (Which is what NoSugar is looking for ... solutions, not pointing fingers.)

All of that said, Pelosi and Schumer have to come to the table as well. They’re enjoying making 45 look bad (and they play politics better than he does), so they’re not going to offer much of a compromise themselves until that pony has been ridden to death. As a moderate Democrat who has the opinions I’ve shared about 45, I’m enjoying how he’s looking like a heartless toddler. As an American who’s worried about federal workers who live paycheck to paycheck, about national parks being kept pristine and available, about air traffic controllers being able to do their jobs, etc., both the White House and the Congress disgust me.

If both sides insist that it’s all their way or no way, we’re going to be right where we are. You (speaking for the right) insist that the only alternative to a shut down government is fully funding the wall, I (speaking for the left) refuse to pay for it.
That’s not answering the original question, it’s focused on political gamesmanship which BOTH sides have and are doing (funding for the wall was offered - 45 said yes, then got grief from the right and, worried that he would lose his base, back-tracked. And there’s the DACA thing you mentioned. So yeah, both sides.)

I bet you and I agree on the need for border security, and I’ll bet that we agree that the people who work along the border know what they need better than any damned politician or politician wanna-be. So I’m betting that we could agree on asking those people tasked with protecting the entirety of the southern border, what they need to secure it ... perhaps a barrier in some places, more people or better vehicles in some places, drones and satellite observation, whatever ... and fund those things. That way, it’s not about keeping a promise, it’s about trusting people who know the situation and funding their work.
How’s that sound?

@waleskinder
The president? Yes, yes he is. But he’s what we’ve got at the moment. And frankly, Pelosi and Schumer aren’t much better.