Can "free speech" be limited by ideology?

@Spoiledbrat Hate speech is a made up term that's far too subjective. Not only is it antithetical to any notion of freedom of expression, it can be used to target and oppress anyone. It may be people you don't like today, but it'll be people you do like tomorrow.

I just think sometimes we get in people’s faces when we don’t need to. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat That's a poor reason to attack freedom of speech.

I really don’t think it is and it wasn’t my intention to attack free speech. People can feel negatively impacted when they’re being yelled at and when they feel hated. And not just once but repeatedly attacking someone for any reason can make them feel unsafe in their environment. They need to be able to get away and feel safe. I think it’s important to give people space. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat To be blunt, I couldn't care less about people being "negatively affected". That is such a vague, meaningless phrase that it could be used to silence anyone. And that's where the attack on free speech comes into play. It's already being done.

Offensive comedy? Makes people uncomfortable. Ban it. Politically incorrect opinions. Too controversial. Ban them.

Communication and the ability to express one's self is the corner stone of any free society. Remove that, for any reason, and you'll slide into authoritarianism.

I repeat that I said it was not my intention to attack free speech but do not [i]personally[/i] attack other people. You are not attacking me right now. We are having a discussion and at anytime and I may leave that discussion. That’s what I’m talking about. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat Your intention doesn't matter. Your action does. You can hide behind good intentions all you want, it doesn't change the outcome.

So what if people are personally attacked? Trump is personally attacked on an hourly basis. Are you going to apply this standard to those people? Is anyone personally attacking Trump is committing hate speech? If the answer is yes, you're an authoritarian. If the answer is no, you're a hypocrite. Like I said, too subjective.

I do not intend to hide anywhere. I have gotten angry with others and they may have felt attacked by me but at least they can get away from me if they choose to. I’m not forcing them to hear anything I say. I do believe that some speech is not noble but rather hateful and that’s what I call a hateful speech. It’s hard for me to comment on Trumps fans and whether or not they hate him because I do not read up on stuff like. I read the headlines but I don’t have time subject to myself to all that it would take for me to educate myself as to whether Trump is being unfairly treated. There are laws in place for stuff like that and I trust that he will take appropriate action if he feels likes he’s being “unfairly” treated or harassed. I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing though. Trump is protected and holds a position of power. I don’t think he would be oppressed and I doubt he feels bad about being white. He is rich and can find places to go where he feels safe. @Sicarium Further, my intention does matter. If my goals are to make you feel bad because of your race , I would call that a hate speech. The President clearly resents people of color coming in to this country. It’s very clear. That should not be tolerated.

@Spoiledbrat When it comes to Trump, personal attacks needs to be analyzed to see if they're fair or not. For others, it's just automatically hate speech.

Do you really not see the hypocrisy there? Or the danger? You're applying one standard to people you like and one standard to people you don't. Your intentions are not good if you're doing that.

And no, there are not laws protecting Trump from personal attacks. The fact that you think there are is kind of scary. They would be in violation of the 1st Amendment. As would hate speech laws.

No, Trump dislikes illegal immigration, not people of color coming into the country. People of color are more than capable of immigrating legally, many do so on a daily basis.

Finally, why should Trump or anyone else feel bad for being white?

Dont try to hide behind the whole legal claim. No. Trump doesn’t like certain people and you and I both know why. He’s made that clear. It’s a little scary coming from a President. And if Trump dislikes “illegal immigration” so much than why does he contribute to it when it serves him? Also I don’t know [i]exactly[/i] what the laws are surrounding Trump or any President and his /their physical and psychological safety. I’m just saying he is in position to safe guard himself and should be aware of how to do that. He has made it to the top in this country. No one has stopped him. One of the things that comes with being president is not everyone will like him. I don’t know what that has to do with a hate speech on the people. He is at the top so he helps make laws. He is not being held back or oppressed. He was voted president? @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat [quote]Dont try to hide behind the whole legal claim.[/quote]

What?

[quote]Trump doesn’t like certain people and you and I both know why. He’s made that clear.[/quote]

Those are weasels words. Nobody likes everybody. But that's not what you mean. You're trying to imply that Trump is a racist, but you won't come out and say it.

[quote]I’m just saying he is in position to safe guard himself.[/quote]

Which is why he's against illegal immigration, to protect the nation. Illegal immigration harms the nations. Look, if you want to get into side issues and distractions, could you please at least answer these two simple questions first instead of dodging?

You said personal attacks are hate speech. You claimed to have good intentions and just want people to feel safe. So, are personal attacks against anyone hate speech or is it selective?

And why should anyone feel bad for being white?

What does he want to protect the nation from? There is an actual definition for hate speech, you know. 🙄 @Sicarium

I don’t have time for a more detailed answer right now. I’m doing my best. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat I literally just told you. Illegal immigration. Because it harms the nation. And no, that is not hate speech.

What? I’m confused. I’m going to have reread this entire thread. Hate speech is not a personal attack in and of itself. I was saying it’s in the dictionary. I know what it means. I don’t know why you think I don’t know what it means please it’s to attack someone based on their color or gender etc. That is a personal attack but I’m probably combining my feelings about being bullied with free speech and hate app. But the people can say they don’t like their leader and why. I can’t speak for all countries and all attacks but in a nut yes and it’s too bad if they get their feelings hurt l I was talking about hate speech not just speech we or one may find offensive. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat You're missing the point. The point isn't that there isn't a definition for hate speech. The point is that the definition is subjective, selectively applied, and is anti-free speech.

Perfect example, if I had implied anyone should feel guilty for being black, you'd instantly label that hate speech. But you did exactly that with white people and that's not hate speech.

I wouldn’t necessarily but I’m not black so someone else might. My point is not to miss your point. It is to make my own. If you say you President Trump because he is an idiot, well whatever. If you say he is sexist or you feel that he is that makes angry again whatever. I don’t think it’s a crime to disagree with a policy or a personal standpoint if someone you know. I was saying that there is such thing as hate speech. That was my first argument. That’s what I want to say and that’s what I’ve said. I believe some speech is hateful because there no purpose behind it other than to a person feel bad about their place of origin or religion, for example. I don’t know what you mean when you said I labeled white. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat Sigh, going in circles.

So hate speech is anything that's meant to make people feel bad? Ok, how about fat jokes? They can make fat people feel bad. Is that hate speech?

Now how about fat jokes directed at Trump? No policy disagreement, just a fat joke to be mean. Is that hate speech?

And what gives you the right to stop me from making fat jokes?

Please don’t put words into my mouth. I did not say that. @Sicarium

@Spoiledbrat What? Those were questions...

I don’t care who you make feel bad. 🙂🙄 @Sicarium

Okay, oh my god. We’re talking about hate speech. @Spoiledbrat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech @Spoiledbrat

@Spoiledbrat Yeah...hence the questions about hate speech.

If this is something you've thought through at all, I don't see why they'd be difficult to answer.

It doesn’t have anything to do with someone’s weight. You’re being silly. @Spoiledbrat