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Will the British Far-Right do well out of Brexit?

Unfortunately, I think they will. Tommy Robinson is the founder of the English Defense League (EDL) and he is organising a protest around Brexit betrayal, just as Parliament is about to vote on Thereasa May's dog's dinner Brexit deal. The EDL are an outright Fascist organisation which have been involved in street violence and though Robinson claims to have left them behind, the EDL and other such groups are avid followers of his.

So why might British people be taken in by such a man and what does Brexit have to do with it?

Under any possible circumstances, a large number of people who voted to leave the EU will be disappointed with the outcome. This is inevitable because Brexit itself was always a fantasy promised by certain politicians but never deliverable in the real world. There are three possible outcomes to the Brexit mess:

1) Brexit is cancelled. People will feel betrayed because what they voted for has been cancelled by politicians.
2) Soft-Brexit. Though the Leave campaign was [i]never[/i] unanimous on leaving the customs union and the single market, many Brexit voters see it as meaning just that. So a partial break with the EU will be seen as a sell-out.
3) Hard-Brexit. A lot of Brexit voters do claim to want this and think it will make the country stronger. Every economic expert thinks it will be a disaster but conservative politicians and press say this will be relatively easy and that is what people want to believe. The reality of hard Brexit is a huge economic crash and Brexit voters will still feel hurt and cheated.

Basically, the only way for people who voted for Brexit to be happy with the outcome is if Brexit hugely cuts immigration and increases the economic strength of the country, whilst retaining national sovereignty. This can't happen and was never gonna happen so one of the three scenarios above will leave people feeling betrayed by both mainstream politicians and the EU. The tabloid press is already pumping out the narrative of national pride lost and betrayal by elites.

Most Brexit voters want nothing to do with the far-right, but a section of them will be seen as low-hanging fruit. 30% of people in this country believe that the government is deliberately hiding immigration figures 18% believe that there is a deliberate plan to make us a Muslim majority country. Most of these people will be Brexit voters.

The aforementioned Robinson is now aiming for political legitimacy by trying to join UKIP (Nigel Farage's old party) and UKIP themselves have gone from 2% to 7% in the polls. UKIP has the potential to push the UK Conservatives further to the nationalist right. The far-right is currently doing very well in Europe and one way or another, its ideas could permeate the UK.

Worrying times.
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cultofaction · 26-30, M
[quote]the only way for people who voted for Brexit to be happy with the outcome is if Brexit hugely cuts immigration and increases the economic strength of the country, whilst retaining national sovereignty. This can't happen[/quote]
This is why no one takes you seriously
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cultofaction Okaaaay... enlighten me then. Spell out a scenario in which Brexit delivers that. With details please:
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cultofaction No answer to that. Oh well.
cultofaction · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 Sound money and scaling back government would do exactly that
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cultofaction it's no details there, just a few buzz words. You don't have an understanding of either economics or British politics. You tell me I'm not to be taken seriously? OK fine. I'm asking you to back it up with some kind of detail about how Brexit could play out differently.
cultofaction · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 How can the economy be at all reasonable when money gets printed out of thin air and is ever deflationary? A non-deflationary currency is necessary for a long term healthy economy.

Do I honestly have to go on about how the government spends too much money? Not everyone likes to ramble on and on about things that no one else really cares about. If you can't understand that without these two things the economy will never improve, then you deserve the awful economy you have.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cultofaction I think you are kind of making an attempt to describe the fiat money system but without any causal explanation of A) How it relates to Brexit (pro-tip: we are are not part of the Euro) or B) economic prosperity.

I'm actually an anti-capitalist but I think it's important to understand how capitalism works if you are gonna favour one type of capitalism over another. Some countries do devalue currencies in the event of a crisis and that is why I think countries should maintain their own currency. Again, we don't have that problem because the EU and the single currency are not the same things.

[quote]Do I honestly have to go on about how the government spends too much money? Not everyone likes to ramble on and on about things that no one else really cares about. If you can't understand that without these two things the economy will never improve, then you deserve the awful economy you have[/quote]

Meeeow 😂

If you don't wanna engage in politics, then fine and nobody forces you to read my comments. Though, if you are gonna argue with me and call me an idiot then you should probably know what you are talking about. Which you don't. All the best mate. 😎
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 No, you spell out why you think it can’t happen. And don’t quote Carney or Hammond.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MartinII I can quote who I want, even centre-right people like Carney or Hammond.

Here is a study which I broadly agree with:

http://ourglobalfuture.com/reports/too-high-a-price-the-cost-of-brexit-what-the-public-thinks/

Which economists think Brexit will end well?
cultofaction · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 At your age, you really aught to spend your time doing other things than being a dumbass.

[quote]I'm actually an anti-capitalist[/quote]I could already tell from your lack of understanding of economics paired with an absurd arrogance regarding it.

[quote]Some countries do devalue currencies in the event of a crisis and that is why I think countries should maintain their own currency. Again, [b]we don't have that problem[/b] because the EU and the single currency are not the same things[/quote]Good God, you're such a fool.


Fear not, my simple friend, for even you can understand why inflation is bad.

1. Expansion of the money supply causes an undue redistribution of purchasing power to the source of the expansion at the expense of everyone else. In the case of central bank money printing, they get the added purchasing power. In the case of fractional reserve banking, the bank which "creates" money by lending it gets the added purchasing power (at least until the debt is paid). There is never a case where the public is the source of the expansion.

2. The devaluation of a currency creates bubbles because it creates an environment where money at rest lowers in value unless it is invested. This leads to people making investments as a means of avoiding inflation. These investments would not otherwise occur, and lead to the destructive boom and bust cycles that have cost so many people their jobs, savings, businesses, etc.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
You've read some crap from a website and think you are an economics expert. You post a table which has [b]zero [/b]relevance to what we are talking about here. God loves the internet expert.

[quote]dumbass[/quote]

😹


@cultofaction When did I even comment on inflation and what specifically has that got to do with Brexit? 😂

[quote]Good God, you're such a fool.[/quote]

BTW, we are [b]not [/b]part of the single currency and that is not even contested by anywone. maybe you feel differently but facts don't care about your feelings


I think that your post is lifted from some Austrian economics website. Libertarian 101 for Dummies or whatever. It makes no sense in its own terms here so please could you provide a link so I can read it and actually engage with it?

Thanks.
cultofaction · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 I take it back, maybe you are too dumb to understand why inflation is bad.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@cultofaction Everyone thinks excessive inflation is bad. If you wanna abolish inflation and the fiat money system then you need a plan to live in a world without credit. I don't think the author od the article you posted (which you still haven't) linked would even argue for that.


What is the televemce to Brexit?

Keep calling me an idiot though. This is fucking funny.
firefall · 61-69, M
@cultofaction Wow. I'm amazed you can even type, you're being so idiotic. I'd put a substantive response, but there's no point, you lack the wit to even understand it.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@firefall He posted a line graph so he must be smart. 😜
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris I'll never be rude to someone just for getting something wrong but it's that he does that AND calls me an idiot. Stupidity arrogance combo doesn't deserve manners.
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