IF A Fetus Is Not Human Life...

...but just a meaningless bit of tissue, why should abortion not be allowed for any woman anytime anywhere for any reason? Abortion clinics should be as easy to find as dental clinics. In fact why should a woman even have to GIVE a reason? If abortion is about aborting something that isn't human only a bunch of cells that happen to be inside a woman's body then it has no more moral significance than clipping your toe nails or shaving?

But if it is a human life, please explain why should it ever be legal except for danger to the life of the mother ONLY?

The whole pro-abortion argument is illogical and abortionists can mask their shame by saying they are "pro-choice" but should have the courage (and moral bankruptcy) admit they believe a "fetus" has no more claim to existence than a cyst that needs to be removed, though as a nurse I have yet to encounter a cyst that had a heart beat...

If you admit it is life but are for abortion on demand anyway because a woman has a RIGHT to do with what she has inside her body because she "owns" it even if it is human than ethically your argument is the same as slave owners before the US Civil War who said black slaves were THEIRS because having bought them they OWNED them and had the right to feed or starve or beat or kill them as they wished because they lacked the rights of other human beings because they were black...just like a "fetus" does not cause it cannot pronounce your name.

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Abrienda · 26-30, F

@VSonMe Ah yes simplistic ... from one of the top minds in...?

I am quite happy to let people who were not aborted when they were just a cluster of cells read your confused attack against my exegesis on the illogic and hypocrisy of the pro-death oh sorry pro-abortion or SORRY pro-choice "argument" which you failed to address...for obvious reasons

Please, please your insecurity is showing, Just go write a check to PP...make yourself feel good about yourself. Maybe the local PP clinic you donate to will send you a pair of these for Christmas as a way of expressing their gratitude...in case you don't know they are Embryotomy Scissors used to cut off the heard, arms and feet of a cell cluster when its being aborted...maybe you can hang it on the wall in your front room above the TV or fireplace...or give it to your son or daughter when they are born? After all it may have been your money that paid for them, "proud" donator to PP.

And remember...by all means be proud of what you have funded.

VSonMe · 56-60, M

@Abrienda I am a proud supporter of Planned Parenthood. I will remain so despite your ridiculous vilification.

Oh and lol at using exegesis. Did you look that up? Pity you used it out of its correct context.

VSonMe · 56-60, M

@Abrienda abortion is one of those emotive topics. The ethical and legal solutions are messy and difficult, requiring choices that all seem to be problematical.

You turn this topic into a crusade, demonizing those who disagree with you. This is not useful or productive.

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@VSonMe I KNOW you're proud! What's your problem? I am just helping celebrate what you are so proud of! What...never actually SAW what it is your dollars are buying? How is that vilification. YOU said you were a "proud" donator to your local PP "every month". I am just celebrating that by showing you what your money BUYS!

In case you don't recognize it this is a syringe with a spinal needle. This instrument's injects saltwater into the uterus which the baby (oh sorry cluster of cells) swallows and breathes. The cause of the death is congestion, hemorrhage and shock. The mother goes into premature labor about a day later and delivers a dead child. The other use is to inject potassium chloride into the heart of the cluster of cells...but then you KNEW this already, didn't you? That's what makes you so "proud"

to donate your money to PP as opposed to, say, an orphanage, right?

Or are you like those Nazi SS officers in WW2 who didn't MIND sending Jews to their death just so long as they did have ti watch the films?

Hey! It's Thanksgiving in the USA? Maybe your friends at the local PP will let you borrow one of these for preparing that Thanksgiving turkey! Course you can always give it BACK when you are through...or again maybe you would like to keep it and give it as a gift to your grandchildren ... or your future wife?

VSonMe · 56-60, M

@Abrienda you prove my point in my last post. You treat this issue as a crusade and the other side as necessarily evil. Now you make the inevitable Nazi comparison.

If you bothered to read my words, you would note that I accept there are ethical dilemmas.

I say human life starts at birth as the definition of "human" has consequences. A human has rights distinct from the mother. At what point do you believe a potential human should be considered a human with all of the rights and privileges?

Can you get a passport for something that comprises 100 undifferentiated cells?

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@VSonMe Can YOU tell me that if that cluster of cells is not KILLED it will not under normal circumstances become a baby? Or is that too sophisticated a concept for you to grasp?

Still feeling "proud" of all the toys you helped buy PP this Christmas?

VSonMe · 56-60, M

@Abrienda I did say that. That's why I used the term "potential human."

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@VSonMe That is a ridiculous term. It is either human or it is not. Or are you so ashamed of the moral and linguistic pretzels you must make that you cannot acknowledge that?

So...you are in favor of death for "potential humans"? When does a "human" stop being a "potential" one, Doctor Mengele? I would stop worrying about my "simplistic' arguments and start worry about your Orwellian ones.

Are you really so obscenely dishonest that you must create the ridiculous category of "potential" human to cover your shame??

Honestly you are so morally repulsive I feel I must take a shower after chatting with you.

VSonMe · 56-60, M

@Abrienda well you prove my point about your unsophisticated thought process.

And way to go with the insults! After calling me rude for calling you an unsophisticated thinker, you now compare me to Dr Mengele!

Abrienda · 26-30, F

@VSonMe "Potential human beings"? Yes that's Mengelian. It should scare anyone near you that you don't know that.

Look I visited your profile and read your groups. Consider yourself lucky I used that comparison. You are absolutely too creepy for me to continue any sort of dialogue with on any kind of subject. I am grateful we are on opposite sides of this debate.

You have one more post in reply then I am blocking you. You are just too creepy to have around. Enjoy embracing death. And good luck editing the sex tapes you wrote you enjoy making.

Done and dusted.