Is voter suppression a big issue in US politics?

@krf336 If you are talking about two Senators per state, then what is being checked and balanced? California gets the same balance as Wyoming, Vermont or Rhode Island. Everyone should have equal power. Mob politics is an arbitrary system which gives more power to some but not others based on arbitrary reasons never explained.

Can you post evidence of the voter fraud thing please because what I have read shows that voter fraud is negligible compared with the numbers disenfranchised?

Compare America to Brazil, which is poorer country but has none of these issues and an 80% turnout:

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/the-remarkable-participation-and-efficiency-of-brazils-elections-proves-how-shameful-and-deliberate-is-the-chaos-and-suppression-in-the-u-s/

@krf336 There’s been much more proof of voter suppression (often with the [b]excuse[/b] of voter fraud given) than actual instances of voter fraud.

@bijouxbroussard show your work

@Burnley123 it probably depends on what you consider "disenfranchised,"
if you mean legal voters who not allowed to vote-
Or they cast a vote and it wasn't counted for some reason, that is a problem And if there is evidence of that then it should be dealt with, but all I have heard is talking heads screaming about it.

If you are talking about ballots that were cast that were not counted because the signature did not match the name on the ballot or the ID could not be verified, or they just filled out the information wrong... that is not suppression, that is just life.

2 senators per state... that's in the constitution, precisely so no one state has to much power in the Senate. that is a check against the House of Representatives, where bigger states get more representatives based on population, that is where the gerrymandering problem is most prevalent.

@krf336 "disenfranchised"...legal voters who are not allowed to vote. Indeed. In Georgia and North Dakota, for example:

[quote]In Georgia, Kemp remained in his position as Georgia’s secretary of state — the office that oversees elections in Georgia — even while running for governor against Democrat Stacey Abrams.

Kemp has carried out mass purges of the voter rolls, ostensibly to remove dead people and people who haven’t voted in recent elections from the records, but in such a sweeping way that Democrats fear it will keep voters, particularly minority voters, off the rolls.

Kemp’s office also put 53,000 voter registrations on hold, nearly 70 percent of which are for black voters, by using an error-prone “exact match” system, which stops voter registrations if there are any discrepancies, down to dropped hyphens, with other government records.

And in the days before Election Day, Kemp accused Democrats, through the secretary of state’s website and with no evidence, of attempting to hack the state’s voter registration system. As elections law expert Richard Hasen wrote in Slate, this was “perhaps the most outrageous example of election administration partisanship in the modern era.”

Other problems also popped up in Georgia throughout the day, including long voting lines and technical errors. That led to voting places extending their hours very late into the night.

In North Dakota’s Senate race, meanwhile, Republicans tried different stunts to skew the race against Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND). After Heitkamp won in 2012 with strong Native American support, Republicans began discussing new voter ID rules. That led to a new requirement that voters show they have a current residential address to vote.

The move prevented as many as thousands of Native Americans from voting since many of them live on reservations and, as a result, use PO boxes instead of residential addresses. And while Native American groups tried to get voters out to make up for any negative effect, the efforts didn’t appear to work, or at least save Heitkamp.

But were either the Georgia or North Dakota voter suppression efforts enough to flip the races in Republicans’ favor?

It’s hard to say. As I’ve written before, the research suggests that restrictions on voting, from photo IDs to early voting cuts, have a small effect — a few percentage points — on election turnout.

The key is that minority and Democratic voters are disproportionately affected. Since minority Americans are less likely to have flexible work hours or own cars, they might have a harder time affording a voter ID or getting to the right place (typically a DMV or BMV office) to obtain a voter ID.

For the same reasons, they may rely more on early voting opportunities to cast a ballot, or require a voting place they can walk to or reach by public transit. And they may have problems overcoming other hurdles, like having to appeal a voter registration or having to stay in line longer.

Based on the results so far, Cramer, the Republican, won the North Dakota Senate race by far too large of a margin — nearly 28,000 votes, or 10 percentage points — for the voter suppression efforts to explain his win. As ugly as the targeted suppression of Native Americans was, this seems like a case of a red state returning to Republican hands.

In Georgia, however, the governor’s race is close enough that Kemp’s tactics could have made a difference. With almost all precincts reporting, Kemp may have won the governor’s race by a little more than 85,000 votes, or under 3 percentage points. (But this race isn’t yet called and could go to a run-off if Kemp doesn’t get a majority of the votes.) That’s fairly close to the kind of margin in which voter suppression efforts could have won the day.

And even if the tactics weren’t the sole reason Republicans won in these two states, the new voting restrictions certainly didn’t hurt the GOP.

The Republican victories may lead to more voter suppression
Republicans, of course, argue that their measures are not about stifling voters or swinging elections, but preventing voter fraud. That’s the rationale Republicans have used time and again to enact new restrictions on voting in the past few years, particularly after a Supreme Court ruling in 2013, Shelby County v. Holder, that weakened the Voting Rights Act.

And they’ve been very successful: Since 2011, 24 states — all but five via Republican-controlled governments — have passed new voting restrictions, according to the Brennan Center for Justice, a public policy think tank.

But basically everyone knows that Republicans’ justification for these voting restrictions is bullshit.

For one, voter fraud is extremely rare. There is a lot of research backing this up, but, based on one investigation in 2012 by the News21 journalism project, there were 0.000003 alleged cases of fraud for every national general election vote cast between 2000 and part of 2012 — and as many as half of those alleged cases weren’t credible. Voter fraud is simply not a big deal in America’s electoral system.

In fact, Republicans have repeatedly admitted that their claims about voting restrictions are bullshit. As longtime North Carolina Republican consultant Carter Wrenn in 2016 told the Washington Post, “Look, if African Americans voted overwhelmingly Republican, they would have kept early voting right where it was.”

So Republicans are carrying out voting restrictions to stop Democrats, and particularly minority voters who are likely to go Democrat, from voting. If the GOP concludes that the restrictions helped push Kemp to victory in Georgia and unseat Heitkamp in North Dakota, there could be a real incentive to continue making voting harder and harder across the US.
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@bijouxbroussard I live in Georgia and you are mischaracterizing the issue. Kemp is the secretary general, he was elected to that position and "overseeing" the election is his job. but all that means is certifying the results basically, he has no control over the voting precincts or the vote counts. And the "Purge" did not eliminate or suppress any votes it was simply an audit to remove outdated information, such as those that had died or left the state. But anyone with a mismatched address or ID could correct the issue at any government office prior to the election and even at a polling place, that is on the voter, not on kemp. Minorities have to follow the same process as anyone, so why would that "apply" differently to them? the arguement doesnt make any sense.

And lines... please, there are lines everywhere in every election, and even not in an election, just go to the DMV!


as far as Carter Wren's statement goes, that is one person's opinion in one place.


the other day in Florida senator Nelson and the mayor running for governor (both losing) Challenged the rejection of ballots cast by non-citizens. That is the opposite side of this- and its disgusting...