So if requiring a photo id to vote is supposedly racist

Is every other thing you need one for like purchasing acholol, driving, getting a job, entering a government building etc also racist. Funny every time the it's racist criers get asked that they don't answer

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Graylight · 51-55, F

[b]Here's an example:[/b] In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.
[i]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a228d6576a44[/i]

Many people don't need ID because they're obviously of legal age. Others don't use ID. Many merchants don't require ID. Look, the information on the discriminatory bent behind voter ID laws has been provided to you. If you're going to argue the point, argue the actual points.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight in many states including mine no matter your age you still have to produce a state issued nonexpired id to buy alcohol no matter your age

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight and BTW when an adoption occurs a new birth certificate is issued with the child's new name and adopted parent listed. I know my father was adopted by my grandfather

Graylight · 51-55, F

@Mountainlady16 Wrong on both counts and not everyone has their birth certificate or can easily get one.

But then, you already know what you know. There's no changing your mind because you're not looking for perspective. You're looking for a cheerleading section.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight no right on both in both TN and GA you have to produce a state issues id to buy alcohol and in order to get a birth certificate you contact the county In which you were born. Y'all want to keep it where anybody can walk in and vote without proving who they are because than ppl can lie and vote in someone else's name

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight and all your sources on id laws are obviously bias sources

Graylight · 51-55, F

@Mountainlady16 Biased how?

[i]What Do I Need to Vote? Bureaucratic Discretion and Discrimination by Local Election Officials
ARIEL R. WHITE (a1), NOAH L. NATHAN (a1) and JULIE K. FALLER (a1)
https://doi.org/10.1017/S0003055414000562
Published online: 10 December 2014

Dignity and Discriminatory Intent: What the Marriage Equality Cases Tell Us About Voter ID
University of Chicago Legal Forum
U of Michigan Public Law Research Paper No. 457
27 Pages Posted: 26 May 2015

We All Agree: Strict Voter ID Laws Disproportionately Burden Minorities
Zoltan Hajnal
University of California, San Diego, John Kuk, Washington University in St. Louis,
Nazita Lajevardi, Michigan State University
ONLINE: Apr 18, 2018

Voter Identification Laws and the Suppression of Minority Votes
Zoltan Hajnal, University of California, San Diego, Nazita Lajevardi, University of California, San Diego, Lindsay Nielson, Bucknell University[/i]

Every one of them vetted, peer reviewed research studies or articles.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight don't trust anything that comes from a CA university

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight dems don't want voter ID laws cause they can't vote in a dead person's name anymore

Graylight · 51-55, F

@Mountainlady16 1. These are not CA studies, and even if they were they've been shown to be: repeatable, peer reviewed, adherent to strict guidelines and within the boundaries of the scientific method. I won't explain each concept to you - there's no biblical translation.

2. No one is voting in dead peoples' names. The voter fraud myth was created in the echo chamber of the conservatives and lives only there. It's been shown to be debunked by-- oh yeah, see above.

JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M

When one argues with a fool, who is the bigger fool?

@Graylight

Graylight · 51-55, F

@JoeyFoxx Every time I try to make a point with her, I ask myself the same question.

JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M

I have an idea.

Wanna guess what it is?

:p

@Graylight

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@Graylight can't be debunked when states refuse to cooperate with those investigating

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Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@LvChris and half of the states didn't even cooperate

JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M

So, how about that stock market. Eh?

@Mountainlady16 @LvChris

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Mountainlady16 [quote]don't trust anything that comes from a CA university[/quote]Bwahahaha 😂

How convenient. And yet I’m going to guess that UCSD is much higher in the rankings than your college.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Mountainlady16 Actually no state fully cooperated, the opposition to the power overreach was widespread and bipartisan. The most memorable quote actually came from Mississippi and its republican SecState - “go jump in the Gulf of Mexico”. But I’m sure you think Mississippi has something to hide.

States actually take vote security reasonably seriously, which is why about half joined ERIC and more are on the way. CA is in the process of applying, even.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@QuixoticSoul see than there's no way to know if there's truly voter fraud going on.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Mountainlady16 That was just a silly way to go about it - Vice Presidents office just doesn’t have the oversight or capacity. DOJ and DHS are continuing the work, and states are always at it too. There are rules about how this information moves around.

In the grand scheme of things there almost has to be voter fraud due to sheer numbers of individual votes, but it’s nothing like people try to pretend it is, most of it is not in-person anyhow (people voting for their elderly parents with dementia, etc), and it doesn’t happen in the absurd numbers Trump throws around.

For example, you probably think that millions of illegal immigrants voted in California, where Trump lost by four million votes. But if you actually look at how our elections are structured, it’s pretty obvious that nothing like that can happen without blatant collusion from California Republicans.

And also, there is just no motive here for anyone. If you were going to be cheating, you wouldn’t do it by four million votes, that becomes impossible to hide. And what have you gained? The state is already reliably blue by a huge margin (there are more registered independents than registered republicans in CA). The states where cheating is most likely are the battleground states because that’s where it can potentially pay off. But nobody worries about voter fraud in PA, etc for some reason.