At this point Kelly and Mattis should tell Kavanaugh to hit the road and be glad he still has a job as a circuit court judge.
I’ve seen enough.
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Scribbles · 36-40, F
Giving up?
I think there's hope if he plays it right. But he won't...and to be honest, I never wanted kavanaugh anyway.
What I don't understand is that it seems to me like this is all getting dealt with wrong. Like why does Kavanaugh keep trying to make himself out to be a paragon of virtue. That's the stupidest defense. It's too easy for people to poke holes in that. Lol
Here's what kavanaugh should say.
He should say this in testimony.
1.
Acknowledge he was caught in a culture of booze and partying at school and that yes it's acknowledged that there was known alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct at these parties. And condemn sexual assault. And encourage anybody at Yale to make reperations to any victims...and not hide. And that it's not ok.
2. State that the Ladies are brave for stepping forward, and be harsh on the dangers of alcohol abuse and sexual assault. And that it is a problem affecting many and needs to be addressed.
3. He needs to acknowledge that people have mixed character statements about him. Ie Aggressive drunk and suppossedly wonderful person sober?
4. He needs to state that as he remembers he has never sexually assaulted anyone. And it is so unfortunate that this comes down to a he said/she said memory battle.
And then make a gesture of goodwill/support towards the #me too movement or in stopping alcohol abuse and helping sexual abuse and rape suriviors.
At least that way, he's trying to be honest as possible and look like he cares instead of being defensive. Idk
I think there's hope if he plays it right. But he won't...and to be honest, I never wanted kavanaugh anyway.
What I don't understand is that it seems to me like this is all getting dealt with wrong. Like why does Kavanaugh keep trying to make himself out to be a paragon of virtue. That's the stupidest defense. It's too easy for people to poke holes in that. Lol
Here's what kavanaugh should say.
He should say this in testimony.
1.
Acknowledge he was caught in a culture of booze and partying at school and that yes it's acknowledged that there was known alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct at these parties. And condemn sexual assault. And encourage anybody at Yale to make reperations to any victims...and not hide. And that it's not ok.
2. State that the Ladies are brave for stepping forward, and be harsh on the dangers of alcohol abuse and sexual assault. And that it is a problem affecting many and needs to be addressed.
3. He needs to acknowledge that people have mixed character statements about him. Ie Aggressive drunk and suppossedly wonderful person sober?
4. He needs to state that as he remembers he has never sexually assaulted anyone. And it is so unfortunate that this comes down to a he said/she said memory battle.
And then make a gesture of goodwill/support towards the #me too movement or in stopping alcohol abuse and helping sexual abuse and rape suriviors.
At least that way, he's trying to be honest as possible and look like he cares instead of being defensive. Idk
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Scribbles · 36-40, F
@room101 it doesn't. He isn't suitable at all by the way I measure a Supreme court justice anyway. I've been appalled since the beginning. We may as well just fill the seat with a stuffed animal or monkey then him...it would be better than him.
I just think it's so weird that he's not even trying to look good. And just hiding and denying and dodging issues. Total crap.
I just think it's so weird that he's not even trying to look good. And just hiding and denying and dodging issues. Total crap.
room101 · 51-55, M
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@akindheart Except its not an admission of guilt or that he's in the wrong. He would be sticking by his own story still and keep saying he didn't do it. And acknowledging that their is no way to solve a case like this with hardcore evidence as it relies on 35 year old memories...and offering some sympathy and focusing on how he as a judge could help people. It would score him some points.
Look, This happens quite a bit in sexual assault and rape cases. My own brother raped a girl in college and the police charged him, but because it ended up having no evidence beyond she could pick him out of a line up and a story...he was never convicted...and he honestly had no idea if he had raped her or not, because of the mix of drug and alcohol abuse, anger problems and mental illness he was suffering from- he was often blacking out or having violent manic episodes . Cases like that just fall through the cracks sometimes. And if he's never convicted, he'd be fine.
He's still innocent until proven guilty, ok?
And I'm all for innocent until proven guilty...but If their are NO facts and no evidence beyond speculation and allegations a case becomes really difficult fast. Kavanaugh looks more guilty by just denying everything and changing what he's saying about the past...because then its easier to poke holes in a story like that.
Look, This happens quite a bit in sexual assault and rape cases. My own brother raped a girl in college and the police charged him, but because it ended up having no evidence beyond she could pick him out of a line up and a story...he was never convicted...and he honestly had no idea if he had raped her or not, because of the mix of drug and alcohol abuse, anger problems and mental illness he was suffering from- he was often blacking out or having violent manic episodes . Cases like that just fall through the cracks sometimes. And if he's never convicted, he'd be fine.
He's still innocent until proven guilty, ok?
And I'm all for innocent until proven guilty...but If their are NO facts and no evidence beyond speculation and allegations a case becomes really difficult fast. Kavanaugh looks more guilty by just denying everything and changing what he's saying about the past...because then its easier to poke holes in a story like that.
room101 · 51-55, M
@Scribbles I'm not sure that I understand. The fact is, Kavanaugh has indeed denied all allegations made against him. Ergo, any if, buts and maybes about him scoring points for himself are all moot.
To me, this leaves us with the central issue re his suitability to be a Supreme Court judge. I would argue that this is not an issue about innocent until proven guilty. It's an issue about integrity and credibility.
To me, he has shown neither.
To me, this leaves us with the central issue re his suitability to be a Supreme Court judge. I would argue that this is not an issue about innocent until proven guilty. It's an issue about integrity and credibility.
To me, he has shown neither.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@room101 I only have a couple minutes...but I agree with you, I only brought up the points that I have because so many people only seem to care about whether he's innocent or guilty. I'm discussing their talking points-not mine.
nobody I've talked to seems to care whether he'd make a good judge or not. And about his integrity and credibility, knowledge, (or lack thereof)etc. It's like it doesn't even matter. Which is one of the saddest things. I'd love to talk about the other issues...and I've tried a bit on here, no one ever responds back, or they change the subject. They just don't care.
so maybe my whole thing is crap, idk
nobody I've talked to seems to care whether he'd make a good judge or not. And about his integrity and credibility, knowledge, (or lack thereof)etc. It's like it doesn't even matter. Which is one of the saddest things. I'd love to talk about the other issues...and I've tried a bit on here, no one ever responds back, or they change the subject. They just don't care.
so maybe my whole thing is crap, idk
room101 · 51-55, M
@Scribbles No. Your thing is not crap at all.
IT's EVERYTHING!
I've purposely avoided talking about innocence or guilt because, at this point, we simply don't know if the accusations have any merit. A lot of circumstantial evidence seems to suggest that he's as guilty as sin but.......
My viewpoint is as follows:
1. Supreme Court judges should not be given life long tenure. Period. Other than the U.S, only dictatorships and theocracies do this.
2. Seeing as the U.S persists in awarding life tenure to judges in the highest court of the land, all candidates MUST be thoroughly scrutinised. Holding back 100,000 documents and only releasing 40,000ish the night before the hearings began does not constitute thorough scrutiny.
3. On numerous occasions, Kavanaugh evaded answering questions put to him or outright refused to answer on the grounds that the questions were hypothetical. This shows a complete lack of honesty, integrity and credibility.
In other words, he's a crap candidate for a crap position.
IT's EVERYTHING!
I've purposely avoided talking about innocence or guilt because, at this point, we simply don't know if the accusations have any merit. A lot of circumstantial evidence seems to suggest that he's as guilty as sin but.......
My viewpoint is as follows:
1. Supreme Court judges should not be given life long tenure. Period. Other than the U.S, only dictatorships and theocracies do this.
2. Seeing as the U.S persists in awarding life tenure to judges in the highest court of the land, all candidates MUST be thoroughly scrutinised. Holding back 100,000 documents and only releasing 40,000ish the night before the hearings began does not constitute thorough scrutiny.
3. On numerous occasions, Kavanaugh evaded answering questions put to him or outright refused to answer on the grounds that the questions were hypothetical. This shows a complete lack of honesty, integrity and credibility.
In other words, he's a crap candidate for a crap position.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Geez 101. @room101
room101 · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson I know that thinking logically and evaluating a situation rationally is a bit too much for you but you really should stop embarrassing yourself like this. Your readers will be greatly disappointed.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Sorry your vitriol had me laughing so hard I couldn’t type much lol. What exactly do you know? What you’ve heard and read for. Across the ocean. Big deal. @room101
room101 · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson And you've been at the senate hearings have you?
Everything that I've said is a matter of public record. Try looking it up genius. It's very easy.
Everything that I've said is a matter of public record. Try looking it up genius. It's very easy.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Your determination of the outcome isn’t a matter of public record. It’s your opinion. I prefer to reserve mine until after the testimony and facts are in. @room101
room101 · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson Did I give a determination? Yet again, reading comprehension is letting you down sorely.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You absolutely have verbalized your belief in the accuracy of Dr Ford’s claim. @room101
room101 · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson 😂😂😂 [b]PROVE IT MORON! SHOW US ALL WHERE I'VE "verbalized (MY) belief in the accuracy of Dr Ford’s claim."[/b]
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You’ve written so much nonsense it would take Dr Ford months to sort through it. @room101
room101 · 51-55, M
@jackjjackson [b]PROVE IT MORON! SHOW US ALL WHERE I'VE "verbalized (MY) belief in the accuracy of Dr Ford’s claim."[/b]
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You’ve written so much nonsense it would take Dr Ford months to sort through it. @room101
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@room101 [quote]My viewpoint is as follows:
1. Supreme Court judges should not be given life long tenure. Period. Other than the U.S, only dictatorships and theocracies do this.[/quote]
Of course when the Constitution was written, life expectancies were far shorter. The idea was and is that judges would be independent from the executive and legislative branches by not being beholden to political winds.
And it's not just SCOTUS, by the way. ALL federal judges are lifetime appointments as stated in our Constitution.
[quote]Article III
Section 1.
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.[/quote]
"Shall hold their offices during good behaviour" means during their lifetime.
About a dozen judges have been impeached and convicted (thus removed from office). A handful of others resigned when threatened with impeachment.
A Constitutional Amendment would be needing to change the lifetime appointment clause. It's not an easy process.
1. Supreme Court judges should not be given life long tenure. Period. Other than the U.S, only dictatorships and theocracies do this.[/quote]
Of course when the Constitution was written, life expectancies were far shorter. The idea was and is that judges would be independent from the executive and legislative branches by not being beholden to political winds.
And it's not just SCOTUS, by the way. ALL federal judges are lifetime appointments as stated in our Constitution.
[quote]Article III
Section 1.
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.[/quote]
"Shall hold their offices during good behaviour" means during their lifetime.
About a dozen judges have been impeached and convicted (thus removed from office). A handful of others resigned when threatened with impeachment.
A Constitutional Amendment would be needing to change the lifetime appointment clause. It's not an easy process.
Scribbles · 36-40, F
@jackjjackson Vitrol, nonsense? Is this what you really believe? I said almost the exact same points as Roomie on a different post of yours. It would have been nice to know that's what you really thought of it. :(
@beckyromero not easy at all. But it doesn't diminish that it's worth changing.
@beckyromero not easy at all. But it doesn't diminish that it's worth changing.
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