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JP1119 · 36-40, M
@CopperCicada So you’re okay with making it harder to vote?
You know what the chances are that your individual vote will be decisive in an election? Unless you’re voting in a local election in a podunk town, you’ve got a better chance of winning the lottery.
A lot of people already have to take off work, skip lunch, pay for transit to the polls, and you want to make it [i]harder[/i] for people to participate in our democracy?
Also, you know the most reliable voters are wealthy (so big money has even more influence in politics), white, and somewhat elderly (retired people who don’t have to work anymore have more time for politics), and those groups tend to skew conservative. Republicans are pushing this unnecessary photo ID crap because they know when turnout is low they have a better chance of winning, and if they put up enough hoops to jump through then a lot of people will just decide voting isn’t really worth it.
So why on Earth would you want to make it harder for people to vote?
You know what the chances are that your individual vote will be decisive in an election? Unless you’re voting in a local election in a podunk town, you’ve got a better chance of winning the lottery.
A lot of people already have to take off work, skip lunch, pay for transit to the polls, and you want to make it [i]harder[/i] for people to participate in our democracy?
Also, you know the most reliable voters are wealthy (so big money has even more influence in politics), white, and somewhat elderly (retired people who don’t have to work anymore have more time for politics), and those groups tend to skew conservative. Republicans are pushing this unnecessary photo ID crap because they know when turnout is low they have a better chance of winning, and if they put up enough hoops to jump through then a lot of people will just decide voting isn’t really worth it.
So why on Earth would you want to make it harder for people to vote?
CopperCicada · M
@JP1119 No actually.
I don't want to make it harder for people to vote. You know why?
Because I've had a hard time voting.
Being dropped from the voting roster. And being denied a ballot because of transposition of two letters on my ID versus on the roster. Same address. Picture. Signature. No matter.
Shit. In 2016 there were no more ballots and no more provisional ballots. My only recourse-- wait until an official showed up. No. I had a job and sick people to care for.
Struggles with ID's. Right now I have a driver's license and passport but in a few years I don't know how I'll get them renewed as my birth certificate isn't valid.
And no. I'm not into making it harder because I know of people who have had precincts closed. And didn't get any notice. Not sure if any notice was required. Might be an hour or more to the next one.
Personally I think it's the burden of the state to provide every biped hominid with an ID. No way to run a society if you don't know who the plebs are.
I think it's the burden of the state to resolve cases of people born without papers because they were born in the sticks or in a closed community.
No way to resolve criminal issues, social service issues, immigration issues without ID. It's in the state's interest to vet the residency status of people and provide them with documentation.
I think if you've been convicted of a felony you should get your civil rights back after completion of probation. Automatic.
But actually. Yea. People need an ID to vote. The politics isn't there but elsewhere.
I don't want to make it harder for people to vote. You know why?
Because I've had a hard time voting.
Being dropped from the voting roster. And being denied a ballot because of transposition of two letters on my ID versus on the roster. Same address. Picture. Signature. No matter.
Shit. In 2016 there were no more ballots and no more provisional ballots. My only recourse-- wait until an official showed up. No. I had a job and sick people to care for.
Struggles with ID's. Right now I have a driver's license and passport but in a few years I don't know how I'll get them renewed as my birth certificate isn't valid.
And no. I'm not into making it harder because I know of people who have had precincts closed. And didn't get any notice. Not sure if any notice was required. Might be an hour or more to the next one.
Personally I think it's the burden of the state to provide every biped hominid with an ID. No way to run a society if you don't know who the plebs are.
I think it's the burden of the state to resolve cases of people born without papers because they were born in the sticks or in a closed community.
No way to resolve criminal issues, social service issues, immigration issues without ID. It's in the state's interest to vet the residency status of people and provide them with documentation.
I think if you've been convicted of a felony you should get your civil rights back after completion of probation. Automatic.
But actually. Yea. People need an ID to vote. The politics isn't there but elsewhere.