Conservatives act like they’re the face of free speech, but they ask for censorship when the speech is troublesome to them.

Few people are actually free speech absolutists. Rather than be a hypocrite, admit there are legal things you believe should be censored, suppressed, and shut down.

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Graylight · 51-55, F

@Mamapolo2016 Oh, I think it happens on both sides, but by far the screaming about disrespecting the flag, a [i]symbol[/i] of the nation and its principles, comes from the right.

[i]Opinions are deeply divided along partisan, racial and ethnic lines. Fully 86 percent of Republicans said it’s never appropriate to kneel during the national anthem as a form of protest. That drops down to just about half of independents (51 percent) and less than 3 in 10 Democrats (29 percent) who said the same; 66 percent of Democrats said protesting the anthem is sometimes appropriate.[/i]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/05/23/poll-53-percent-of-americans-say-its-never-appropriate-to-kneel-during-the-national-anthem/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ed9c31b2b905

[i]Almost 9 in 10 Republicans say it's the wrong thing [kneeling] (87%) while just about three-quarters of Democrats say the opposite (72%). And most younger Americans call it the right thing (56% among those under age 45) while a majority of older Americans say it's wrong (59% among those age 45 or older). [/i]
https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/29/politics/national-anthem-nfl-cnn-poll/index.html

Mamapolo2016 · F

@Graylight I have heard here the proposition that people over a certain age be blocked from voting because they vote 'wrong.'

Certainly not prevalent, but existing.

The issue is not insanity on one side or another. It is insanity.

If I chose to scavenge numbers, I could, but it's pointless. I am a) not Republican, b) do not believe taking a knee is wrong or evil and is entirely acceptable and American [b]if you are willing to brave it and accept the consequences. [/b]

The consequences come from the employer, not the government, because they are taking a knee on the clock. I applaud them for their courage and commitment, if they accept the consequences.

Great political freedom movements succeeded because the consequences were known, in fact were sought.

If you don't believe what you believe powerfully enough to brave the consequences, you don't believe it powerfully enough.

Today's political exchange consists of 'you shut up. [b][i]I[/i][/b] have the right to say what I think.

Graylight · 51-55, F

@Mamapolo2016 Indeed. But the consequences exist only if players are in violation of a known employee policy. When this started (and still perhaps now), the NFL had no such policy.

Mamapolo2016 · F

@Graylight I don't know what companies you have worked for. the companies I have worked for are perfectly comfortable with developing new policies to address a situation that never arose before. I don't want to play legal 'gotcha' anyway.

Legality and common sense and conviction are not the same concepts.

If we pay you a kabillion dollars for your talent and effort and popularity and you refuse to pay a kabillionth for your convictions, one of us has stronger convictions than the other.

I am withdrawing before this gets heated because that accomplishes zilch. You have the last word.