Are the left the only people who can defeat the nationalist right?

The hard right can only be defeated from the left, not from the centre

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/18/hard-right-left-centre-party-politics-blair-clinton?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Owen Jones is probably the UKs most prominent left journalist. Here he is writing about Anglo american issues and drawing comparisons berween the two situations. There seem to be a lot though they are not universal. His biggest argument here is to say that the liberal Centre have abandoned the needs of the working class and middle class people, giving the right opportunity to expoilt this. Are the left the only people who can redress this?

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lilteacup

The left will never defeat the nationalist right because they refuse to listen to middle America ... and that is where the votes are.

The right (nationalists and neocons - including religious right) will continue to vote Trump because 1. That is where the power is (power = votes = bills being passed) 2. The market continues to do well (when the market does well, constitutes are happy = more votes)

Democrats didn't listen to middle America when they were losing their jobs, having their houses repossessed and not being able to feed their kids. Now they want everyone to care about crying immigrant children?? They don't and they never will.

Both sides are completely deaf to one another.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@lilteacup Do you think Bernie represented something diffetent?

lilteacup

@Burnley123 Trump and Bernie both appealed to Middle America. They shared THAT vote. When Clinton "won" the nomination, those people decided to vote Trump or stay home.

I wonder if Russia would of meddled if Bernie was on the ticket?

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@lilteacup What I mean is, based on your concerns, you seem to be in favour of a more interventionist government in the economy. That would be Bernie, and also my understanding of what the left is.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@lilteacup Obama shepherded the economy out of the Great Recession, and the current economic climate wouldn’t exist without that effort. Seems they listened just fine.

Trump did pay lip service, but aside from continuing general recovery, little has been done to save the jobs he promised to save.

lilteacup

@Burnley123 Correct. I held my nose and voted for Clinton.

lilteacup

@QuixoticSoul I am only telling you what middle America THINKS. Not what I think. I am a liberal Northerner.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

You really hit the nail fair and square here.. The catch cry "Its the economy stupid" has always been the elephant in the room. Presidents don't drive economies.. They grab the reins, and hang on, hoping the thing goes where they want it. Bill Clinton yanked hard at the end of the Dot Com bubble and freed up money for a real Estate boom, which busted. The Economy will end up where it wants, not where the President or the people want. Obama got a bad break with his time. Trump is having a dream run, skating on the thinnest ice. If you listen you can hear the cracks. And it wont be just him in the water.@QuixoticSoul