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Election meddling

Now that the proverbial dust has somewhat settled pending the final release of the Mueller report, I’m prepared to post a few thoughts.

The president parsed his words carefully. He did not say he believed Putin when Putin said Russian did not meddle.

I believe that based on what I have seen and heard that there was meddling either directly by the Russian government or by organizationa financed and directed by the Russian government.

I do not be,Ive based on what I have seen and heard SO FAR (there may be more to come) that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

IF the goal of the Russian government was to elect the president the last thing the Russian government would do if create a paper trail of collusion which if exposed would undo their goal assuming they had a goal and it was achieved.

The most important thing we should have all learned by now is that it is crucial that a system be in place to prevent election meddling by anyone (foreign governments, their subcontractors, citizens, nutkobs, candidates and anyone or anything else.

One would suspect a goal of the meddlers would have been disarray and finger pointing in the United States among ourselves. We must show them their failure by unifying and preventing a repeat or worse.
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Here's the problem, though. The Russians likely wanted Trump in office precisely because his leadership was likely to lead to just the disarray you're talking about.

And if so, they were right, because he's been actively trying to discredit and dismantle the intelligence apparatus which might be able to defend against meddling.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
You’re probably right regarding who the meddlers favored. When everyone is pointing fingers no one “side” is responsible for the disarray. The goal should be unity and the prevention of future meddling. @MistyCee
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HerKing · 61-69, M
@jackjjackson[quote] The goal should be unity and the prevention of future meddling.[/quote]


Absolutely correct!! But Trump has no interest in that happening. He 'thinks' it's a 400 pound guy in his basement. He pretty much dismisses all the evidence the US intelligence services have told him and you can be sure they've told him more than has been released to the public.
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HerKing · 61-69, M
@ImDone [quote]those who did prior meddling should not be given a free pass[/quote]


I thought that went without saying. I think Mueller is being very wily right now and drip indicting strategically.. There's a LOT more to come..
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@jackjjackson [quote] You’re probably right regarding who the meddlers favored. When everyone is pointing fingers no one “side” is responsible for the disarray. The goal should be unity and the prevention of future meddling.[/quote]

That kind of unification seems like it will have to take place in spite of Trump, sadly.

Whether he is a Manchurian candidate or just an idiot, he has yet to provide useful leadership with regard to this issue, or really with regard to anything remotely "uniting."
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@ImDone I'm not sure how far the Nixon analogy goes. Nixon was a lot more competent, and when push came to shove, showed he put the country above his own interests.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@ImDone The parallels with Nixon are quite striking. Nixon was so arrogant he though the country (and the agencies within) were from his own toybox and was genuinely perplexed they weren't after all. Trump demonstrates similar narcissism.
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HerKing · 61-69, M
@ImDone Oh I think everyone learned, it's just you can't forecast the future when a Russian stooge would be installed as POTUS. I don't think anyone would have guessed that ten or even thirty years ago.
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HerKing · 61-69, M
@ImDone You see I agree but I also think there's another possibility. Trump isn't bright, but he has been protected throughout his life by paying others to cover up for him, he's lived in a bubble. I doubt he really understands what 'right and wrong' are. He just does what he needs to do to keep his head above water. So if he had to sell the USA down the pan to keep his head up and safe he would, because in his mind, he's all that matters.

Now his hangers on have been arrested/charged he disowns them, they're no longer useful to him and therefore superfluous.
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HerKing · 61-69, M
@ImDone He has a reading age of a nine years old (Though I think that's optimistic)he has the emotional and intellectual maturity of same or much younger. So to expect him to be mature enough to have a reasoned assessment of right and wrong [i]might[/i] be his defence if he reached court.
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