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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
I don't know. I mean, Russia or not, it's hard to overstate just how much people disliked Hillary. She was a fucking awful candidate.
By the numbers, Trump got less votes than Romney, and Obama [i]crushed[/i] Romney. Even with Trump on the other side, the voters refused to come out for Hillary. In the end, it's not the Russians to blame for that, it's her.
But in any close race, any nudge can have a big effect, so perhaps.
By the numbers, Trump got less votes than Romney, and Obama [i]crushed[/i] Romney. Even with Trump on the other side, the voters refused to come out for Hillary. In the end, it's not the Russians to blame for that, it's her.
But in any close race, any nudge can have a big effect, so perhaps.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@QuixoticSoul I think you have to factor in all the help Hillary got from the MSM. Getting the debate questions beforehand? DNC undermining Bernie Sanders' campaign?
Also the help Hillary got from James Comey, Peter Strzok and his girlfriend at the FBI. Democrat partisan plants in the FBI are far more worrisome than anything Puttin and his pals did.
Also the help Hillary got from James Comey, Peter Strzok and his girlfriend at the FBI. Democrat partisan plants in the FBI are far more worrisome than anything Puttin and his pals did.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Pherick I think most democratic voters who disliked Hillary simply stayed home rather than switch parties or candidates. And this stuff has a lot of inertia. I can't say that my personal assessment of Clinton has dramatically changed since the 90s. Evolved and expanded, but not changed. She's a known quantity. And deep down, I don't feel that it's a quantity that resonates with a lot of people. It certainly doesn't with me.
There were probably people that had scandal fatigue and decided to stay home after more "but her emails" stuff. Maybe that was decisive. But I think the largest chunk of democratic voters who simply sat it out did so because of more fundamental and longer-ranged drives.
There were probably people that had scandal fatigue and decided to stay home after more "but her emails" stuff. Maybe that was decisive. But I think the largest chunk of democratic voters who simply sat it out did so because of more fundamental and longer-ranged drives.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@Heartlander She apparently got one question? That doesn't equal getting all of them. She shouldn't have had even on though.
The DNC is the Democratic NC, I do like Bernie, but he is 99% of the time an independent. Why would the DNC give him any real help?
What help could you possibly mean from those people? Comey especially did more to hurt Hillary, with his weird press release just before the election. Strzok and his GF did nothing.
The DNC is the Democratic NC, I do like Bernie, but he is 99% of the time an independent. Why would the DNC give him any real help?
What help could you possibly mean from those people? Comey especially did more to hurt Hillary, with his weird press release just before the election. Strzok and his GF did nothing.
Pherick · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul I don't disagree really, Hillary wasn't my choice BUT compared to her opponent she was the obvious choice.
I just have such a hard time with anyone who could be that apathetic. Like Hillary is meh, and trump is horrible, but I don't feel like voting ..
I just have such a hard time with anyone who could be that apathetic. Like Hillary is meh, and trump is horrible, but I don't feel like voting ..
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Heartlander Well, Comey literally cost her the election in the short-term so I wouldn't worry about the almighty Democratic cabal just yet 😂