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Does right-wing populism have some traditional left-wing ideas?

Like (qualified) opposition to the free-market, anti-establishment tendency and anti-war. This always seemed strange to me how neo-con people could seemingly change their ideology over a few years.

I'm interested in the responses from both left and right. I'll be polite to all those who do likewise. :-)
Graciebaby · F
The further left wing you go and others going further right, they actually join.
A political sphere, I believe it's called.

Fascism/Zionism is not too disimular to communism.

Let's face it both were devised by the same people.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Mildreadful sorry. Lol
room101 · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula I attended the Anti-Austerity March in London in 2011.There was a guy standing on one of the plinths in Trafalgar Square extolling (with a megaphone) Anarchism and saying that money would become defunct within fifteen years.

I spoke to him when he finished his monologue and asked him what would replace money in a 21st Century society. His answer was a system of barter. I then asked how and by whom would his megaphone be produced.

It was a long discussion which, needless to say, got absolutely nowhere.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@room101 God, that dude didn't know what he was talking about even when it comes to fanciful theory. People become convinced that the righteousness of their idea is a substitute for how feasible or convincing it is. I have no patience for that kind of stuff.
SW-User
I'm unaffiliated, but there's truth to both left and right ideologies.

There isn't anything wrong with a free market, though some monitoring is needed to help prevent unfair business practices.

Endless wars isn't a good thing for our economy and having other sectors underfinanced, though sometimes war is needed to stop violence.

There are times you work with the establishment, but you must always question it. Dont let the establishment fool you with security in exchange for your liberties.

Being entirely left or right wing is close minded and foolish. There are grey areas!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris I don't think the trade war will come to much. The big US corporations would be screaming to the roof-tops in alarm if they took it that seriously. Mostly its just a show for his base IMO

Edit: But I do think Trump could start a war to protect his own back.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris Agreed.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
Where British conservatives are concerned I believe they feel tethered by political correctness (and so they should be as PC is about treating people decently and not discriminating) and by European legislation. When we no longer have protection from Europe and ultimate jurisdiction available through the European court, I don't trust conservatives to continue to support the less fortunate or any other, traditional left wing causes. Conservatives do largely support the free market, I think, and I suspect they would privatize the NHS if they could get enough support to do so. So I would say, yes, they play the populism game including traditionally left wing approaches when they have to but will attempt to steer away from that as soon as the chance arises.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@fazer1k I agree with you on this. Also, the NHS is being privatised by stealth. More outsourcing happens every year and whatever the rhetoric, they want it in private hands.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Oh yeah, absolutely.

If you look at an American example of Trump vs Sanders you see that they are both targeting neo-liberalism with similar talking points, primarily against free trade and how the establishment political parties are compromised by the interests of the wealthy.

But I mean, after that point it's all different. They're still reactions to neo-liberalism. It's just the populist right call it globalism and do not consider private business to be a party to it and treat it more like a conspiracy theory than a rough political consensus of countries and major corporate players.
room101 · 51-55, M
@CountScrofula I understand what you are saying but, we really can't include trump in such conversations. The man will say and do anything.
SW-User
A lot of anarcho-capitalists tend to become anarcho-communists. Though i welcome them, im weirded out by how easily they leave their right-wing ideas and come to embrace even feminism. Things are returning back to the 30's ._.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Burnley123 we need to take back Libertarian, it used to mean Anarcho-Communists when DeJacque coined it. Then that asshole Murray Rothbard stole it from us.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@basilfawlty89 Seconded. THAT WAS OUR WORD.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@basilfawlty89 Also if we want to talk about a bunch of people with utopian meaningless idealistic politics look no further than right libertarians and ancaps. Ugh.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
[quote]Like (qualified) opposition to the free-market, anti-establishment tendency and anti-war.[/quote]

But for different reasons.

Example:

The far left opposes spending more money on defense because (1) they're doves and (2) they want to spend it on other things.

The far right opposes spending more money on defense because (1) they tend to be isolationists and (2) they want to save money to cut taxes.

There are other reasons to be sure. But those are the major reasons on that issue.
Northwest · M
Do you really believe right-wing populists, are anti-war?

Setting aside campaign speeches, I have not seen any evidence of that, once they reach power.

In other areas, they may be saying the same thing, but how they propose going about implementing, is radically different. Opposition to free markets, for instance. The left would regulate it through government programs, the right would let the established powers, create the regulation. Kind of like Trump is doing now, by getting the coal industry lobbyist, run the EPA, as an example.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest I guess I am looking at the ideology, rather than the'actually existing nationalism' as practiced by Trump. Of course he is a fraud. Of course its the neo cons who are running the show.

Most nationalists on here are critical of military intervention and global free trade.
room101 · 51-55, M
I really can't think of anything that right-wing populism has in common with [b]traditional[/b] left-wing ideas.

Their only opposition to a free-market economy is when it means competing with other countries. Their anti-establishment rhetoric is delusion of the highest degree and very much a "having your cake and eating it" mentality. And, they are anti-war (if one could call it that) but still want an overflowing military capability. Not to mention the ability to arm themselves to para-military levels.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Debates under here are nothing to do with the question. But its all good.😜
HerKing · 61-69, M
Throw in too that France is a republic as is the USA.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Depends on the left wing. Anarcho-Communists are for no markets, but mutualists and Collectivists are fine with markets, mutualists are in fact in favour of free-markets, just not capitalist free-markets, instead worker owned businesses democractically governed.

Right Wing populism DOES though have somewhat in common with the Authoritarian Left like Maoists, Stalinists, etc.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris A little. But it is just another turn in the bonkers road. Europe could reject the hard-Brexity aspects and the Euro Skeptics will be angry about what they see as a 'sell-out'. This is not a done deal and the clusterfuck will continue.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LvChris No worries. I make loads of text type mistakes. The devil is in the detail of these things and Johnson can always turn round and say that there was a hidden thing which he didn't realise.

What this means is that for now, he has politically calculated that its in his interests to play nice. He's waiting for the right moment to turn on May and launch his next bid to be PM.

 
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