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When is insulting people justified in a debate?

By that I mean calling someone an idiot or implying that they are.
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
You clearly don't have the knowledge nor skills of debate once it's got to that stage.
Game over.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Picklebobble2 I agree and I can be nice to people I strongly disagree with but if they are rude and can't be engaged with rationally, I sometimes take the piss.

I was a bit more 'combative' on EP but I think I've calmed down a bit.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 I've come to the conclusion that some folk are just 'conditioned' to be trolls on certain subjects.
They may not even realize it. But they are committed to their untruths and nothing will sway them.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Picklebobble2 I've had that. I was told by someone that the footage of Tommy Robinson was faked. When I told them he filmed himself, they said someone could still have doctored it. When I said the company he worked for put it online, they. called be a Libtard. 😜

Yesterday I witnessed someone actually argue that mean average was an invention of the alt left media.

The debate started because source he had quoted was misrepresenting averages. When called out on this he doubled down on it with the first conspiracy he could think of and boy was it bad. The people he was debating did call him an idiot (which I kind of think is justified in this case) and then he threatened to shoot both of them.

That is why I think that in [i]some[/i] cases, insulting people is fair.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 Can't argue with that !

If people are opinionated, that's one thing. You can always change an opinion !
But stupidity it seems is permenent.