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What is the significance of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

This is the 28-year-old socialist who beat the heir to the throne for Democratic Congressional
leader in New York.

Are the Democrats experiencing a 'tea-party of the left' moment where the establishment is shaken up by radicals? Could it be even more significant in that American politics is set to experience real structural changes years down the line? Certainly, there will be replacement Bernies, if nothing else.

For those who don't know, I'm a British political activist and very much involved in the movement around Jeremy Corbyn, Britain's Labour Party leader. I see the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) as a US version of Momentum, so I kind of feel a kinship here.

It strikes me that the Democrats are united in opposition to Trump but in little else. There seems to be a division between party elites who accept corporate donations and have classical liberal policies and a more progressive radical base. I don't think most American Democrat voters are socialist in the classical sense but nonetheless, I think there is a political message here which will resonate.


I also think that Ocasio-Cortez is extremely impressive as a candiate. She has excellent politics, as well as charisma, authenticity and self-confidence. If I was an activist in this room, then I would walk through walls for that person:

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAb2QMw9h_w]
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
She is a snot nosed rich kid who has never had to earn a dollar in her short life.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 She comes from a working-class background and was working as a waitress at the start of her campaign, unlike the Canadian right, who are privileged to the high heavens.

Congratulations for being even more wrong than you usually are, which is an impressive feat.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Seriously, it's [i]outrageously[/i] off base. Spectacular, really.

[quote]After college, Ocasio-Cortez moved back to the Bronx where she worked two jobs, as a bartender and as a waitress in a taqueria, to help support her mother in her battle to fight foreclosure of their home after her father died of cancer.[/quote]
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 Her dad was an architect who moved the family into a rich neighborhood when she was young. She grew up rich not poor or working class. You do need to do some research on these things. Many socialists are rich. That is why they are called champagne socialists. They don't have the poor in mind at all. They think they are smarter than the poor and thus need to run the poor people's lives.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@hippyjoe1955 The Parkchester planned community in the Bronx? That's a snot-nose rich kid to you? Where did you grow up? In a Tijuana alley?

If there's one thing this country needs, it's government representatives who aren't old white men completely out of touch with society at large. Do you even know what her politics and platform are?

But let me get this straight - you're complaining that she's never had to earn a dollar in her life, while you worship a millionaire who's never done a thing but shift money given to him around?

Incidentally, she worked two jobs in college, as a bartender and as a waitress in a taqueria to help support her mother in her battle to fight foreclosure of their home after her father died of cancer. She was also employed as an educator in the nonprofit National Hispanic Institute. She [i]also[/i] established a publishing firm.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Graylight By the way, Jesus called. He says switch your avatar.
Fernie · F
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 She worked as a waitress to prevent foreclosure of her family home after her dad died of cancer.

[quote]You do need to do some research on these things. [/quote]

For some strange reason, I thought that your 'research' would be Breitbart so I Googled it and... low and behold:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/29/fact-check-girl-from-the-bronx-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-grew-up-in-one-of-richest-u-s-counties/

I was correct about your unmentioned BS source. 😂

This is a classical disingenuous attack article which uses the deliberately misleading presentation of information. Thus how most Breitbart readers think that Europe is on the verge of being overtaken by Sharia courts. For example:

[quote]Yorktown Heights, specifically, offers a sharp contrast from Bronx living. According to USA.com, the town’s population is 81 percent white, and median household income is $96,413 – nearly double the average for both New York state and the nation, according to data from 2010-201[/quote]

This does not mean that she grew up rich or even upper-middle-class. I live in one of the richest cities in the world (London) but the cost of living is also really high. The Glenfell Tower atrocity happened in one of the richest parts of London but the victims were poor ethnic minorities. Rich places have high inequality. Also from the article:

[quote]Westchester County – which the Washington Post, in a glowing profile on Ocasio-Cortez, describes as only “middle class” – ranks #8 in the nation for the counties with the “highest average incomes among the wealthiest one percent of residents.” According to the Economic Policy Institute, the county’s average annual income of the top one percent is a staggering $4,326,049[/quote]

Now this proves that the rich people in the area she grew up were very very rich but nowhere does it evidence that she herself was in the top 1% of residents.

It's like saying that because Alberta (your home province) has a lot of rich people, that you must also be rich. 😂
Fernie · F
@Burnley123 you are talking to a rock
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Fernie I know. And the rock talks back.

There used to be a time when an idiot knew they were an idiot and apologised for making an embarrassing mistake. On the internet people just double-down on the stupidity.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@Graylight 🤣
Fernie · F
@Burnley123 the internet is dark and toxic
HerKing · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 What is it with Trumpers? C'mon, give us some insight. Why do you trust anything Breitbart says that you know will be just your confirmation of bias? So she's a socialist..so what? Maybe she has the right answers, maybe she doesn't. But the incumbent she outvoted certainly hasn't, nor the mainly white male middle to old right wing patsies for corporate America.

To call her a 'snot nosed kid' means what exactly? By that definition most of the soldiers, sailors and airmen that fought in both World wars and subsequently are 'snot nosed kids'. One of those young pilots in the RAF was a man who died a few years ago. His name was Tony Benn, he came from a very privileged family (he renounced his aristocracy).

He ended up being one of the most highly respected politicians that ever lived...I don't mean everyone agreed with him, far from it. But he had a phenomenal intelligence and breadth of knowledge about world political history, not just his own party or his own constituency. Anyone who took him on in a debate had better make sure they were on their metal, because likely as not he had the answer before they had the question.

Snot kid eh? At least you speak as a Trumpspeak Christian eh? Insult before actually knowing what it is you're talking about.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@HerKing I am a big fan of Tony Benn. He was before my time, though I somewhat fall into that tradition.

Yes, people from establishment stock can take anti-establishment positions and visa-versa. Its what you do which counts, nt your background. And none of the right have a problem with rich people being right-wing, which is an accidental tacit acknowledgment that they think the rich should support their own interests and that people should vote only through their wallet.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 [quote]Congratulations for being even more wrong than you usually are, which is an impressive feat.[/quote]

I am going to disagree with you. While his claim is dead wrong, I'm pretty sure he's just jealous. You see, while he can "vanish" on command, and join Jesus, he's never had a comet named after him.

While in high school, she took second prize in the Intel International Science fair (microbiology), prompting the MIT Lincoln lab, to name a small Asteroid after her.

That Asteroid, swooshed way, way, way, over his head.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@Northwest [quote]While in high school, she took second prize in the Intel International Science fair (microbiology), promoting the MIT Lincoln lab, to name a small Asteroid after her.[/quote]


Oh c'mon, who hasn't done that? eh?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 I just wanted to congratulate you for completely blowing up HippyJoe's nonsense.

And , as usual , once he has had his arse handed to him on a plate he quickly exits a thread , never to be seen again ..... until the next time.
Fernie · F
😅@HerKing "who hasn't done that?"
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@hippyjoe1955

[quote]She is a snot nosed rich kid who has never had to earn a dollar in her short life.[/quote]

This reminds me of that rich kid/student that took down the University of Missouri president and administration.

... but then the silent majority took down the rest of the university by pursuing their college education elsewhere.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Heartlander Read the rest of the thread and get a clue.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Burnley123

[quote]Read the rest of the thread and get a clue.[/quote]

My college roommate worked weekends at a restaurant and returned to campus every Monday with his pockets stuffed with money. His dad had suffered a stroke and was paralyzed, so my roommate supported his family. My roommate was a gifted high-end waiter.

Poverty isn't just about money. It's also about attitude.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Heartlander You didn't bother then.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Heartlander She has an even tougher back story and am even better attitude. You'd know if you'd read the thread. Also, she doesn't care purely about herself.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@Heartlander money isn't everything I agree, but it sure makes poverty easier to deal with. And it's tiresome when people blame the ones in poverty for being in poverty. More often than not, it isn't their fault and a sequence of events out of their control (See Detroit and car plants). Why not blame the corporate greedy bastards who design and literally profit from a system they designed and control for their use?

It's okay, it was a rhetorical question. Because you'd have more progress knitting fog. They don't care.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@HerKing

Oh, I would never blame people for their poverty. My parents survived the great depression, and the Heartlands was once known as dust-bowl country. Poverty isn't a sin, or a character issue. More money, less money, or no money doesn't make someone good or bad. There are both rich thugs and poor thugs.

It's mostly attitude. People with good hearts are never really poor.
Fernie · F
@Heartlander Being desperately poor or obscenely rich can definitely bring out a person's dark side