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The reality of Trade tariffs.

This is just one US company having to change it's practices, and they don't favour US workers. The full impact of these tariffs hasn't yet been realised, but this is just a taster. HD are an iconic maker in the US (I don't particularly have any affection for them but recognise where they are). I encourage you to read the entire article. and can someone please explain where, how and why allies of the US are a security risk?


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Harley-Davidson plans to shift some motorcycle production away from the US to avoid the "substantial" burden of European Union tariffs.

Last week, the EU imposed retaliatory tariffs on US goods, including bourbon, orange juice and motorcycles.

Wisconsin-based Harley-Davidson has assembly plants in Australia, Brazil, India and Thailand.

The company said it would raise investment in its international plants, but did not say which ones.

[b]"To address the substantial cost of this tariff burden long-term, Harley-Davidson will be implementing a plan to shift production of motorcycles for EU destinations from the US to its international facilities to avoid the tariff burden," the company said in an official filing to the US market regulator.[/b]

Harley-Davidson said it expected the ramp-up in production to take nine to 18 months.

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The firm's decision is one of the most visible consequences of the trade disputes triggered by US President Donald Trump's decision to levy tariffs on steel and aluminium.

[b]The tariffs, which Mr Trump says are necessary to maintain national security, have drawn retaliation from the EU, Canada, Mexico, India and others, while driving up the cost of metals for manufacturers in the US.[/b]

US companies that range from boat-builders to nail manufacturers have warned about the consequences of escalating trade tensions.

However, the tariffs have also spurred investment in US steel plants.

For example, British-owned GFG Alliance, has said it plans to invest $5bn over several years to reopen a shuttered steel plant in South Carolina. The firm says the move will put about 125 people back to work "immediately".

'Only sustainable option'
Harley-Davidson, which has been focused on expanding its overseas sales amid challenges in the US, said it remained committed to US manufacturing.

[b]It said the tariffs made shifting production "the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe".[/b]

[b]The company said the tariffs would add, on average, $2,200 (£1,660) to each bike exported to the EU from the US, as the import tax increases from 6% to 31%.[/b]

Harley, which sold nearly 40,000 motorcycles in Europe last year, said it planned to absorb those costs, which are expected to add $30m to $45m to its expenses this year.

Passing the costs onto customers "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region", the firm argued.

The majority of Harley's motorcycles are currently built in the US, where the firm employs about 2,100 people at manufacturing facilities.

[b]However, the firm had already announced plans to close a facility in Kansas City, Missouri - a decision workers said was due to the opening of a new facility in Thailand.[/b]

The company denied those claims, arguing the move was about boosting overseas sales.

'Headwind to hiring'
[b]Mr Trump had made raising manufacturing employment a goal, but economists warn that the escalating trade tensions are likely to be counter-productive.[/b]

In addition to the metals tariffs, the Trump administration has also said it will impose tariffs on $34bn of Chinese goods starting on 6 July as punishment for violations of intellectual property protections.

China is due to retaliate in kind.

Mr Trump has also threatened tariffs on foreign cars and auto parts, arguing that firms should make such products in the US.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44604280
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MethDozer · M
The tariffs seem to be ignoring and encouraging the real problem. Allowing companies to be international sending production over seas while still claiming to be an American company.
It is the same of allowing foreign companies own American production, or worse, how many foreign businesses own our infrastructure . That is the real problem.
That is really what we need to be wrangling in.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer In a free market economy how else will it be wrangled in? The likelihood of an American worker, working for his Chinese counterpart's salary/wages is remote. And expecting an American to pay the price of an American made product when the same can be made in Asia for a quarter of the price is fantasy.
MethDozer · M
@HerKing The fact is that wealth is finite and the name of the game is to pull as much wealth into your nation and keeps it as you possible.

It is also stupid to treat a business that sends all it's production over seas to be able to claim it is an American business. An American business that send it's production over seas should be the first to see tariffs on it's foreign goods. Not tariffs on on materials that we can't supply ourselves. Just look at you article. A foreign business plans to open up a steel plant here. That doesn't help us at all. It helps some foreign business.
Same goes for the tragedy of allowing Spanish firms but up our electrical infrastructure. That is a real risk and does us no good. Allowing a foreign firm to own infrastructure? Bad idea.
MethDozer · M
@HerKing Actually tibia not a remote possibility. Chinese investors are starting to look at opening US production and have started doing so.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer [quote]Actually tibia not a remote possibility. Chinese investors are starting to look at opening US production and have started doing so.[/quote]


But automated facilities. They use as few humans as possible, the bare minimum. The production is robots.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer [quote]A foreign business plans to open up a steel plant here. That doesn't help us at all. It helps some foreign business.[/quote]


Keeping with the Harley Davidson theme. Back in the early 80's HD were in deep financial problems. They couldn't make or sell a bike less and/or better than the Goldwing, Honda was exporting into America. Reagan put in place tariffs on Japanese imported bikes (and I think also cars) to make the HD bike a similar price to the Honda product.

Honda simply changed tactics. They went to California, secured grants and other benefits, opened up a plant and made Goldwings from there instead. Since then, they've all been made in CA. No import tariffs. Sure, they employ some US workers, but the proceeds go back to Honda.
MethDozer · M
@HerKing Whether humans or robots does not matter. The money and taxes goes to a foreign entity with the move of production. It also means jobs and income is lost on maintenance of said robots. A nation also loses just by virtue of losing a means of production as having a means of production is of national value in and of itself.
MethDozer · M
@HerKing Great case you bro g up with Honda to help prove my point perfectly.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer But the point is, HD didn't benefit from the action which was the reason it was brought in.
MethDozer · M
@HerKing And I got that point is inline with what I am saying. Maybe there is a miscommunication.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer [quote]And I got that point is inline with what I am saying. Maybe there is a miscommunication.[/quote]


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